UserWiki:The Grand Anarch

Introduction
Hello! First of all I'd like to welcome you to my page. This isn't much in the moment but I'm hoping it eventually will be. Since my ideology isn't too different from Anarcho-Primitivism itself this page won't be serving as some online manifesto that'd end up basically being a copy of ISAIF or hell even a classic like 'Walden' I'll instead simply outline my ideas and differing revolutionary methods for the modern age of technoindustrialism and you, my dear reader, are free to follow along.

Part One: Primitivist revolution in the 21st century
A lot of you are probably feeling a little hopeless. Most Primitivist thinkers are old-news and it doesn't seem like we can do much against the rapid growth of the technoindustrial system. Well I'm here to say otherwise! The first step in all of this is to clear up/remove two notions about Primitivism and the movement/its people.

notion one: "You're a Primitivist yet you use technology. Curious..."

this one is sadly all-to-common and is used primarily by those who haven't read any Primitivist theory and/or philosophy. (Although I reject the "theory-elitism" that Marxist-Leninists grip onto for relevancy, theory is important to stave away contradictory members of the Primitivist movement.) The best way I can argue against this "argument" is simple. We are all born dependent on technology in the modern age. We have been stunted and have devolved to fit better as docile pets for technoindustrial civilization. (I'll talk more about this in my "REAL evolution" segment later on.) It'd simply just be far too narcissistic to claim complete and total independence from technology. Furthermore it is the ONLY medium and BEST medium to radicalize people into becoming fellow primitivists. You wouldn't warn the people in heaven about hell now would you? there'd be no point at all. It serves as a good medium to bring forth a decree of "intellectual primitivism" online and to introduce others to it who otherwise would never be apart of the primitivist movement given YOU never got on your computer and used terrible life-ruining industrial technology to spread the good word!

notion two: "Primitivism is better as an individual thing! Why don't you just live in the woods on your own and leave the rest of us out of it!"

Now to many this seems like a nice slice of common-sense pie but if you really look at it it isn't...at all. First of all primitivism as a movement REQUIRES collective effort and cooperation to succeed! And secondly it's kinda hard to escape technoindustrial civilization at all when pretty much 98-or-so% of the earth is owned either by corporations or governments.

Now that I've cleared up the above notions we can use the second one to segue into my method of Primitivist revolution. And how we will be able to hopefully achieve it in the 21st century.

First off we're going to have to do a lot of mobilizing. The structure however will be a kind of neo-tribalism, not JUST for aesthetic purposes (because come on neo-tribalism is a sick name) but also because it is the most efficient way. The structure would work in a tribal way of course but here's a quick explanation:

Tribal Leader: this is simply the most knowledgeable and skilled person who also has the facilities to organize this neo-tribe their responsibilities would include organizing events and the like. I should point out that the term "leader" doesn't mean they're the sole authoritative dictator of the tribe it just means they lead and organize the collective power

Educators: I honestly didn't know what to name this layer but educators is the best bet. The few that take their time in assisting the tribe through education and sources. These people would be incredibly key (as much as everyone else)

Hunters/Warriors: The ones on the frontlines fighting in the revolution against the modern age (this is the more obvious tier and therefore doesn't really need an explanation)

miscellaneous: This is just a sect for all the other working members of the neo-tribe helping it work towards a uniformed goal.

Alright now that we have established a barebones basic tribal structure lets also get one thing straight. The tribal structure isn't inherently authoritative. I talked about this previously when discussing the leader but to back it up with examples tribes would be a very good mix of individualism and collectivism. The only thing the leader did really was be the main muscle as well as being perhaps one of the second-wisest (besides perhaps elders or tribal wisemen) furthermore the leader served more as an organisational body and as a figurehead of the tribe that had gotten his (or her but idk any historical female tribal leaders. There were most probably some however) status through respect and being worthy to bare the name of the tribe. Now that we have cleared this up time to talk about how any of this information is useful.

Neo-tribes will prove useful in the revolution by properly mobilizing in splintered less centralized groups. Some can operate in entirely different areas and sectors and some may not even know about that. This allows for widespread neo-tribes to form in the modern age. And I hope...No I ENCOURAGE them to get big too. Parents in these neo-tribes could schedule a no-tech camp or something and teach the younger generations useful skills...I forgot to mention that education and de-propagandizing will be one of the core elements. People will share and teach their knowledge on surviving primitive life within their neo-tribe and this would be shared in a safer communal way amongst individuals. Along with this individuals being taught the truth behind technoindustrial society will have a more strengthened morale with it being less likely for any wishy-washy fucks to creep in unwanted.

Neo-tribes will have to be quite the common occurrence so my advice is for people to start up as many as they can and to remember NOT to hinder other tribes fighting for the same goal. This helps especially well with the argument of "if you just removed technology from everyone they'd all die quite quickly" as if most people are in these educational and resourceful tribes (hell even if most are not these tribes will be the ones surviving the best meaning people would most probably have to learn from them and decentralize further into thousands of tribes across a nation) all perhaps with individual lil niches (union of egoists? Fuck that TRIBE OF EGOISTS) anyways, now that we've looked into the revolutionary method (just to run this down real quick: You form neo-tribes as basically anarcho-primitivist groups with others who already have become self-dependent from civilization and those that are keen on the ideology. Once you've done that share educational resources and become big. Let other tribes form and spread your roots across the nation. Eventually when the time is right all tribes will enact a mass decentralized revolt against the singular poor centralized government and further expanding to the industrial system.) It's time we looked at AFTER the primitivist revolution and my personal beliefs and ideas of this ideal society of mine.

What actually is real evolution? (in terms of humans)
So before we continue I need to clear up this one term I'll be using far too often "REAL evolution" which is important I promise. REAL evolution in regard to human beings is simple. It's observing how we're evolving, how we SHOULD be evolving and what is really evolving. Since evolution comes from the constant entropy society finds itself in something must be constantly evolving right? Well yes. Only it isn't us. Lets look at humanity now that I've established the outline on how to examine REAL evolution (very basic stuff but sometimes you gotta remind people) so first of all how are we evolving? Well to put it simply we aren't and we haven't been since the very dawn of technoindustrialism. Secondly how should we be evolving? Well as a natural species belonging to nature and nature only we should be evolving alongside it no? Furthermore our physical forms should have been greatened over time to support our evolution and stalwart lifestyles as we live with the chaotic evolutionary laws of nature itself...well it's clear we have neither of the two attributes. Even some of our most impressively strong people aren't up-to-date in terms of what we could look like if we evolved correctly...And now finally. What is actually evolving here? Well as we just established before it certainly isn't us now is it? It'd have to be the machines we've been depending on for our lives and comfort. We haven't evolved in any way, shape or form yet our technology has. And we've only gotten more dependent on it too have we not? So then it seems we have an issue. While technology isn't an active terminator-esque threat it becomes a form of passive enslavement over us. Weakening us severely and limiting our evolution...and so I hear now the backhanded arguments of deluded authoritarians or even those with the "green" prefix before an ideology (or just Bookchinites lmfao) the argument simply being "Well if we make sure humans use industrialism properly and like we set up laws and if we make it green and eco-friendly then it's all good right!" Well first we have to step in and become authoritarians of any kind to do this. And as is blatantly common, obvious and apparent. Authoritarianism decays. It's shortlived typically and so are it's ideas before the wealthier ones off somewhere step in to bring back the full power of the industrial machine! So now we know already that this argument is already pretty flawed. And if it's an anarchist making these points...well forcing laws onto people as an anarchist is incredibly fucking spooky...Anyways lets move on to the second part of the argument...Eco-Friendly industrialization... How could industrialization ever be "Eco-Friendly"? It's served better as a method of killing our planet and ridding the world of nature and yet it's Eco-Friendly? Furthermore even if our industrialization is "Eco-Friendly" by some miracle. Would we not be relying on the backs of machinery still? Are we to be stripped of our own individual abilities to work and produce ourselves in a fulfilling way? And how do we control these industrial complexes? What happens to the societies of people who depend on them when the quota isn't being filled? Do we start forcing individuals to work now?

No matter what technoindustrialism seeks to destroy our home, to weaken us, to make us solely dependent on it, to destroy our chances of evolving forwards as a species and ultimately to enslave us. It may be easier for humans to depend on the machine but it will kill us inevitably. Our only way to evolve as a species (correctly) is to reject the machine and evolve alongside nature to our full potential.

What now?
So we secured our primitivist revolution in our neo-tribes and are on our path towards real evolution FINALLY...So what does my ideal anarchist pseudo-civilization look like now? Well contrary to the constant strawmanning of Anarcho-Primitivists we wouldn't quite literally just become cavemen on the spot (technology isn't what has made us smarter as a matter of fact it's been making us a WHOLE lot more stupid.) What we can see here is the disbanding of the neo-tribes. It'd be peaceful since everyone fighting has been fighting for the same cause and don't have any reason to well go apeshit and suddenly be violent assholes (seriously if the threat of some guy in a suit and badge putting you under is the only thing stopping you from going berserk you need help) the tribes would become a lot more de-centralized and would spread far out. Some would specialize in other areas and other tribes would do their own thing. What's certain is the education each and every one of these people have now been taught thanks to these neo-tribes. Now that humanity is dependent on nature once again this period will be awkward. Some will attempt to bring technology back but the majority of these people will enjoy their lives free from control and manipulation. In a setting where they can be free and truly human. And will not take kindly to the rekindling of what started our oppressive system.

Overtime these tribes will evolve alongside nature again as it takes it's course and rewilds. Humans too will have a drastic rewilding and will quickly and efficiently become what they were destined to be once again. They live without need of morals or laws but simply the guidance of nature. Tribes people are fulfilled over small things and overtime these tribes may delegate in pseudo-civilizations. eco-huts and houses built amongst a jungle of trees spanning kilometres as they form a symbiotic bond with nature itself. Becoming one with it in an almost ego-removing process (while still being wholely individualistic and suited to the individual) creating in essence a perfect society. Where everyone is fulfilled and has evolved or suits a specific niche. Even the physically handicapped may take up roles as wisemen or artists. Being taken under the tribes wing for the sake of entertainment.

No economy to draw people down, no laws to hold us in place...Only the efficiency of nature itself. No more will we fall to entropy for now we will grow alongside it.

I don't want to back. I want to go forwards. I want to go forwards the way we were supposed to.

Why then? Why this alternative? What is so bad about technoindustrial society??
Because like I've said before it stifles evolution, makes us complacent and enslaves us but I want to have a few little rants first.

First of all can we clear up the myth of anarchy falling to utter misery? How are people so propagandized they think the only way to keep things well and good is by getting some government entity to hand out badges to some guys with guns and suits? Are you fucking crazy? Not only do police just detain people AFTER they've committed a crime (so they're more like a deterrent...sometimes) but already you're giving some random joe the right to tell you what you can and can't do even if it doesn't harm anyone or even if you want to do it.

And yet people still prefer this system over that of a decentralized violence union. A group spontaneously forming to rid their tribe of someone no one likes. Perhaps this person is being especially annoying or perhaps they're being harmful. Naturally the human resorts to violence and killing if the situation MUST call for it but rather than relying on a long bureaucratic systemic process natural action occurs correctly and naturally. And the best part is? It's purely individualistic. You can do what you fucking want and you keep your freedoms. Afterall it's freedom of actions not freedom of consequences...Oh and let us not forget that really no human enjoys actively HARMING others unless they're sociopathic or psychopathic (most sociopaths and psychopaths are not only birthed through industrial society but are also the only ones that THRIVE in it.)

Alright let's talk about the fucking hospitals and therapists shall we? Here's the thing. Hospitals in primitivist society while they wouldn't exist. Healers and natural healing obviously does. Because of our recent heavy reliance on technoindustrial society we've become less able to heal naturally and a lot of people now require a more artificial push (Anti-Vaxxers seem to think for whatever lurid reason that if they don't vax it'll completely undo the years of passive industrial evolution and dependence on technology) nonetheless a lot of basic medicine we use on the daily? That shit is all natural and cavemen in primitive times were known to find natural remedies through roots and natural sources. Okay so what about big injuries? I hear you cry out. Well it's simple. Don't fuck up idiot...okay but seriously it depends. If it is fatal you've lived an incredibly fulfilling life to that point and you probably don't mind to much dying at around 36. If you're now a paraplegic it's not that the tribe will have no use for you. In fact they're likely to keep you around and care for you (since modern industrial society has been one of the key proponents of the increasingly high amount of apathy in people). NOW the therapists. I know it's odd I'm singling them out but I just want to make this point.

Therapists are proof technoindustrial society is an active threat to humanity. You see typically we require a therapist as a direct result of living unfulfilling depressed lives filled with repressed desires and freedoms while being forced into a hyper-social and hyper-integrated system and network of people (and it only gets worse from the internet. Like WAYYYY WORSE but Deleuze and Lacan have talked plenty about the internet and why it is inherently dystopian so I won't ramble about it...at least not yet and not here.) So now you need a therapist for whatever problem technoindustrial civilization has caused for you...Well now they'll charge you for wanting to feel better and they'll take your money so THEY can convince YOU to just accept everything as is and reintegrate into society again. They'll probably get you to watch a lil powerpoint on their barebones understanding on stoicism and then you'll feel real cool about not caring about your how depressing your life is and to forever contribute to the all-consuming machine!

You know what they say. You know your propaganda works when they're willing to buy it from you...

(will continue this other minipart tomorrow)

good

 * - helped with my account and getting me used to this site quite a lot and is very supportive of my primitivist beliefs and such. Also an anarchist
 * - helped with making my user template thing. Besides that he's also pretty based from what I can tell ideologically

neutral

 * - helped me with introducing me to this site and with my account. They're also an anarchist and while not entirely big on primitivism they're still pretty open/chill with it no real strong emotions either way
 * - Pretty rude but is pretty based once they talk more about their ideas...A bit too nihilistic and lack of commitment to full primitivism...However they're still against civilization and industrialization for the most part so they're hitting hard neutral levels
 * - I can't quite figure his whole ideology out but he's a post-left anarchist so he's pretty good in my books I guess. Also quite nice but not really a primitivist and seems to like U/acc which is ehhhhh
 * - Cares a lot for the environment and is a fellow deep ecologist!!! They're just going about it the WORST way possible. Could probably radicalize him given the chance
 * - also a big environmentalist and definitely a lot less authoritarian than also more environmentally centered it seems... Only step for them now is to guarantee our earths safety by taking away industrialization!!

kinda bad
- Christian/Catholic which is pretty spooked and to back that up you're also a lolbertarian...I hate the technoindustrial complex but the only reason you aren't in "bad" is because you're at least against authority...kinda

bad

 * - He's a liberal who supports not only capitalism but worst of all technoindustrialism. A real species traitor...seems nice though
 * - A marxist leninist??? That identifies with marxist transhumanism??? Oh you are almost everything i'm not (Marx isn't that bad tbh just too focused on humans rather than the superior deep ecological thought that we're all natural beings on the same level)
 * - The only thing I can say is that your ideology has two redeeming qualities: 1) Not INCREDIBLY authoritarian and 2) At least you aren't a transhumanist...

Discussion Area
- Marxism DOTP but Primivist - This I like (mainly because it is philosophically fascinating)
 * - Bruh, I was gonna make that comment (Dictatorship of the Primitivists).

- great a Primitivist, any add me please - add me?
 * - How do I "add" someone and what does it do?
 * just means add to the relationship's section. Nothing special.
 * - Also how do I do the lil user thing that you and the others can do?

- quick question about the revolution thing what weapons are you going to use because no offense spears and bows aren’t going to effective against tanks and modern infantry as civ 6 has taught me
 * - we use modern weaponry stil...I'll explain this kinda stuff later but like I said back in the clearing up notions thing it'd be incredibly stupid for an anprim movement to NOT use modern technology to destroy it y'know?
 * - makes sense where do plan to start the revolt i will presume some country that would be easy to take over and not a country like the U.S.A
 * - yeah but it'd be a lot of planning and time which I'll outline later...I need sleep

- Add when you get the chance.

- add me please

Leninisbased: is an anprim yet uses electronics to access this website, add me
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- question, about the tribes/post-revolution, can I post-revolution form my own tribe of fellow transhumaists and create a tribe of technology of sorts in exchange my tribe will leave the other tribes alone
 * - Hypothetically yes. I mean it'd be an ANARCHIST state. I can't control what you and your tribe do. However it'd be incredibly hard to bring back technology once technoindustrial society has been destroyed
 * - well destroying all of technoindustrial society will be pretty hard so my my tribe of technology could start by preserving certain areas of technology like Kennedy Space Center would be a good example.

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