Talk:Socialism

As Stirner said "I am not against socialists, I am against sacred socialism". Marxists count as the dogmatic utopians, and so are the early utopians.

Based
Karl Marx Engels Lenin Stalin Mao Hodja Dimitrov Kim il Sung Che Gueverra all based socialist leaders.

Ubercringe
Why do people even follow this ideology? It killed 100 million people. Not including deaths by Nazis. - SuddenWriter Woah, I used to be a radical leftist until I heard the utterances of the words "human nature" and immediately became monarcho-ancap.
 * - Capitalism killed way more people and the Black book of Communism is highly inaccurate.
 * - Hoppean moment.

I swear, some of your takes just remind me of a familiar guy of similar beliefs which said person had a humorous manner -

Happy labor day comrades
as for the ideology, genuinely more based than not, especially as an endgoal of mine, state socialism is cringe though, but still the lesser evil compared to most forms of capitalism -
 * Based, Happy Labor day! -
 * - Indeed, happy labour day to all the workers of this world! o7

State socialism is good, but when combined with market socialism, it becomes a better economic system. But the economy must mostly be planned.


 * - Why should the Economy be mostly planned?

Dear all socialists
If you hate capitalism this much then get off your computer or however you access this wiki because everything you consume is anti socialist. - SuddenWriter
 * LMAO, you do know socialists CAN make shit too? Also, not everything is made from Capitalism. -TheElectricBomb
 * Bro stfu. Not our fault that us socialists live under capitalism. You must be a troll or something - [[File:SQC.png]] Yugo
 * Calls me a troll, yet supports an ideology that enslaved millions to billions worldwide and slaughtered many many innocent people. If you like this ideology so much, go to North Korea or Venezuela. "socialists CAN make shit" is right there. I am betting that you: 1. Take uber to Starbucks 2. Post things in Social Media from their Iphone 3. Complain about Capitalism.
 * 1) You're only thinking of Stalin, Mao, the Kims, and Pol Pot when talking about socialism. Not all socialists are genocidal authoritarians like those mentioned above. Saying all socialists support mass murder is saying all nationalists want to genocide minorities. 1.5) In fact, is imperialism not "capitalist"? If so, imperialism ruined, killed, raped, and traumatized the lives of millions, with effects still carrying on today. Neoliberalism and Neoconservatism aren't as bad as imperialism but are very alike as they only help themself and not the poor. Can't defend that. 2) Socialism was made to improve the lives of people, especially the workers, which doesn't seem like "enslaving people". When has Capitalism realized that better conditions mean better workers? 3) Yeah I'll go to socialist countries damn you 4) Update again: Uhhhhh.... damn now I look like a t*nkie.
 * I'm not even socialist but SuddenWriter you seem like a bit of a troll lol - [[File:Ronzipotism.png]]Ronzipot
 * honestly, you just sound like a cheap knock-off brand of Craupatkin with all the fun takes gone. -
 * I thought the same Sudden and socialists, stop watching Netflix and eating in McDonald's. This ideology is stupid as f-, literally equally doesn't always mean fair. - Black drone
 * I have no idea why this ideology is still popular. Even though all those crimes committed by it. Ok, let me reply the comments that tries to debunk me. 1) If not all socialists are genocidal authoritarians, then why most, if not all socialist and historically socialist nations have at least some sort of suffering? Such as starvation and oppression? 2) Well, look at countries like Venezuela and North Korea. Did their lives improve? Oh! And remember where 800 MILLION people were lifted out of poverty? That's when Deng took power where he introduced CAPITALISM. Coincidence? 3) ok then, tell me how horrible it is. 4) idk which country you gone to. Just face it, socialism fails everywhere and every time. Capitalism always wins.

Communism is good.
 * I speak as a family relative who has lived in a Communist country in the past.
 * 1) After the USSR dissolved, Boris Yeltsin made inflation increase in Russia, ironically like Venezuela. Just shows Capitalism doesn't always improve the economy. If so, why do families in third world nations still having massive hunger problems despite living in capitalist countries? 1.5) Libya, Grenada, Yugoslavia, Iraq, and Somalia did so well under socialism. After America and/or opposition groups took down those socialist remige, they became hellholes or if not hellholes, not as great as what they once was. 2) North Korea and Venezuela may be shitty in terms of human rights, but remember that for a while they did well until Americans sanctioned them. I do agree that NK is poor in human rights, so they should loosen up and reform or we should coup em. Also, Deng was market Socialist, not really a capitalist. 3) Yeah ok. 4) It sometimes does work albeit only when the leaders know what they're doing.
 * Deng may be technically a capitalist, but his economics resemble the third position economy closer than capitalist ones or market socialist ones tbh -
 * How? -TheElectricBomb
 * basically his economics are state capitalist or whatever they're called, basically a mixture of market reforms and some private MOP, which are non-collective in nature, but also have the state still have a strong presence in the economy, which is virtually close to corporatism due to it's mixture of non-collective and collective economics -
 * Ah yes, the most genocidal ideology ever existed on earth (Holocaust, Holodomor, Great leap forward, Cambodian genocide, North Korea TODAY). I have no idea why modern socialists love this ideology so much. If they want all these "free stuff", go there. They have "free stuff" which the "stuff" is death. - [[File:Statlibertarian.png]] SuddenWriter

The Cycle

 * 1) Socialist country exists
 * 2) People who worked hard on their money get robbed
 * 3) Government ran out of money to rob
 * 4) People starve
 * 5) "That wasn't real socialism!"
 * 6) Start over

Socialism is really iffy
While economic collectivism is in-general good, mass collectivism has shown to stagnate economies compared to economically liberal economies. Even if capitalism comes with a lot of issues, capitalism in a lot of its forms is still better than socialism, but I do like some socialist leaders like Corbyn.