UserWiki:Pantheon

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[[File:Apolit.png]]Apolitical stage
I simply didn't care about Politics.

[[File:Auto.png]]Autocratic stage[[File:Totalitarian.png]]
I once dreamed of ruling the World as an Absolute ruler because I was fairly young and I was inspired by Supervillians in cartoon shows.

[[File:Commie.png]]"Communist" stage[[File:Soc.png]]
I've read die Känguru Chroniken, das Känguru Manifest and die Känguru Offenbarung and I literaly based all my political beliefs around it.

[[File:Nooc.png]]Platonist stage[[File:Urb.png]]
I soon abandoned "Communism" because I began to see it as unrealistic and naive (however I remained sceptical of unregulated Capitalism) and instead I began to read about history, religion and philosophy, I was amazed by the accomplisments of the Anchient Egyptians, Greeks and Romans and I was particulary interested in anchient Greek Philosophy and I chose Socrates and Platon as my favorite philosopers and my political believes at that time were very similar to those that Plato had (3 Class system, Philosopher kings, city states, eugenics etc.). I mostly abandoned my dream of World Hegemony because I began to see large Empires as unstable and and fragile.

[[File:Panarchy.png]]Panarchist stage[[File:Sep.png]]
I was researching on Wikipedia on forms of gouvernment and found one to be very interesting: Panarchy Panarchism advocates that every person has a right to secede from their old gouvernment and form an own one or join another gouvernment without leaving the country, these gouvernments would be in competition to each other in a laissez faire manner and ideally the gouvernment that manages to come out on top would be the best choice. I was very fascinated by that idea and I thought if some people in the past could found states then everyone should be able to do it. I myself largely remained by Platos ideas of gouvernance and I also thought about starting a cult at that time.

[[File:PanGerman.png]]Nationalist stage[[File:Socgeo.png]]
I began to watch the News and heard about the Civil War in Syria. I heard about how the Terrorist Organisation known as ISIS managed to occupy north-eastern Syria and north-western Iraq as well as comitting countless atrocities there. I also heard that that Terroist organisation was also commiting attacks in my home country, Germany. These Informations shaped my view on Islamists up until today and I began to get interested in my countries politics. In 2015 Europe experienced a refugee crisis with many people from the middle east, mostly Syria coming here, people that grew up in a completely different culture and society were coming to Germany and It wasn't long until conflict arose. Because of worries in the German population and some incidents between predominantly muslim Migrants and Germans Right-wing populist sentiment in Germany arose which led to the AfD (Alternative for Germany) entering the Bundestag. I myself was influenced by the News and events of that time, I also began to read about the History of Germany and reading books about politics. After a while I began considering myself as a Patriot and I started indentifying myself with the German Nation more up to the point where I could be considered a Nationalist and in retrospect some of my views could be even considered Proto-Fascist since had Irredentist dreams of a Greater Germany "from the Maas to the Memel From the Etsch to the Belt" and sought to maybe even get revenge on the Western allies though an Alliance with Putin's Russia and China.

[[File:Progconf.png]]Shift to the left[[File:Antrans.png]]
I began to realize that the European Union doesn't restricts Germany, but infact benefits it.

Positive
- He seems to be a very nice guy and he agrees with me on most issues, although we have disagreements over the Institution of Monarchy

IvarsBalodis - A fellow Guild Socialist and a nice guy, he is a bit more Conservative than me and also more Nationalist though.

Mixed leaning positive
- You are nice but your Ideology is kinda, well... abstract (I am using this term because I lack better words)

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ENG: A half German like me and he's very friendly too. But I am not the biggest fan of Capitalism and Economic liberalism. (And sometimes he appears to me to be the personification of r/lindnerwichsvorlagen) GER: Ein Halbdeutscher wie ich und er ist auch sehr Freundlich. Aber ich bin nicht der größte Fan von Kapitalismus und Wirtschaflicher Liberalisierung. (Und manchmal kommt er mir wie die personifizierung von r/lindnerwichsvorlagen vor)

NazBolGANG12 - Thank you for editing my page, your Ideology is okayish I guess.

- You are a fellow leftist and you also like Vaush, Dom Pedro II and we both don't like Tankies. but you also are a cringe Ultraprogressive Republican and you see religion as inhierently Reactionary and want to abolish it. May the Gods have mercy upon you. At least you don't want to persecute me for it like some other people.

Mixed
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ENG: It's complicated... GER: Es ist kompliziert...

- Well, our relations had a pretty rough start since he's a Kemalist and denies the Kurdish people autonomy, so I spammed his comment section full with Kurdish songs... But I think we get along to a degree now.

Negative
Dragon Red - Unitarianism and Republicanism are highly cringe although Atatürk was kinda based you're not him... and you're a bit too Authoritarian for my liking so there's that.

- Pretty much an averange Tankie, also P*kistan is cringe.

Comments
- Huh? What happened to the Comments?

Why are you not like austrian nationalists?


 * because A*stria is fae n gae. Well, to be serious: I see Austrians not as an own Nationality but rather an attempt by the Germans in Austria to avoid getting blamed for the atrocities of the Nazis. I basically see them as Germans in denial.

What is unitarism?
 * - Unitarianism is the idea that almost all power in a country should be in the hands of the Central gouvernment.

What is Bl*irites? Why are hate Bl*irites?
 * - "People" who support Tony Blair, he was the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom from 1997 to 2007. Under his Ministry the Labour party distanced itself from Socialism and weakened Labour Union influence in the party. While at first establishing positive relations with Gadaffi, the leader of Libya he later participated in his overthrow which left the country in ruins and Blair's Britain also participated in the Iraq war along with America which led led to more than 100000 Civilian deaths.
 * - Gaddafi was only overthrown in 2011. The Tories were already in power by then.

DragonRed Gaddafi was good for libya. libya society at his time was good. The reactionary Arab spring with imperialist support destroyed everything. I'm not agree with Gaddafi's crazy movements. He's generally good.

"I'm going to use masonry as an example for this one. In order to work as a Mason, you need to be in the guilt. The guilt organizes training of new masons, decides wages, sets quality and ethical standards and disciplinary procedures, writes protocols, offers legal advice and representation and is (for the most part) self-governing and democratic. The state would have a minimal influence on guilds beside the prevention of corruption, money gouging, criminal offenses, etc. It's basically a type of union, but not for workers working together, but this system can be used for freelancers too. An example is the Screen Actors' Guild in the US."
 * - Can you tell me more about how guild socialism would work in practice?
 * - I am not an expert on that matter so take my words with a grain of salt: Under a Guild Socialist system the economy would be organized around state owned but worker controlled Guilds, Guilds are professional associations of artisans, craftworkers, merchants or workers in general. These Guilds would then handle their respective sector in the Economy and regulate it. Or as someone in the r/GuildSocialism subreddit wrote it:

IvarsBalodis - Add me? Actually never mind, I see it already.
 * - Add me? I re-evaluated your ideology.
 * - I just did it and I saw you said that Atatürk never promised the Kurdish people Autonomy. That's true but he promised them to give Kurds equal rights to Turks and to preserve the Caliphate, which he pretty much didn't. Also I think since the Kurds are an own people they should deserve Autonomy regardless if Atatürk wanted it or not. Unitarianism in general is cringe.
 * - I just did it and I saw you said that Atatürk never promised the Kurdish people Autonomy. That's true but he promised them to give Kurds equal rights to Turks and to preserve the Caliphate, which he pretty much didn't. Also I think since the Kurds are an own people they should deserve Autonomy regardless if Atatürk wanted it or not. Unitarianism in general is cringe.

DragonRed It is a proven fact that the national-unitary state structure is superior to the federal state structure, which was historically built on an ethnic basis.

Unitary-national states are much more resistant to social and political upheavals than federal-ethnic states. Unitary-national states easily and unscathed overcome the social and political developments that shatter federal-ethnic states and cause endless destruction.

Be careful. There were eight European states in the communist political system. Five of these were unitary states. (Hungary, Poland, Romania, Albania and Bulgaria) Three were federal. (USSR, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia) Seven years after the miracle year 1989, five of these five unitary states were still unitary states. The three federal states are divided into 22 states." "The ones that survive are the unitary states.

Atatürk gave everyone the right of equal citizenship. He kept his word. He did not make any promises, including that he would protect the Caliphate and the Sultanate. He tried to save the country from occupation and establish an independent state. He even fought against the Caliph's army. I am against autonomy and the federal system. I am pro-state. As I explained above, the unitary state structure is more robust. There is no situation where every ethnic group will establish their own states. There are more than 1000 ethnic groups in the world. Most ethnic groups do not have states. Is this a deficiency? Sure. Not. If there is a national and unitary welfare state, it should not feel any lack. With the arrival of refugees, the Kurds became Turkish nationalists. Even the Kurdish problem is over.
 * - As a federalist I agree that federalism doesn’t fit Turkey, especially when Kurdistan used to be consisting of tribes with a strong tribalistic and backward culture. Ataturk did nothing wrong to modernize them into the Turkish nation.
 * - Many turkish people dont feel like the government can represent them properly and thats no wonder. A country that is twice as big as germany while having a population density thats lower than germany, its no wonder turkey struggles to run the unitary/centralistic government while still trying to keep in touch with the people. That, combined with the disrespectfulness of the government towards ethnic minorities who in some provinces even form the majority of people, is the perfect recipe for approaching chaos.  So whats the solution? A federal state..  Not only does a federal state offer more democratic individualism and thus more representative policies, its substates are also providing safe places for minority groups which can represent them more accurately since they are part of the countrys society.  And all that individuality despite the common foreign policies from the federal main state. Despite the differences it all forms a more united turkey.  Such a state also comes with the seperation of the capabilities of the states and the substates similar to the german federation prior to 2006 as well as a redistribution plan between the substates.  The substates are ordered in a way that protects ethnic groupings, while also paying attention to the economic differences so that rich cities cant hoard their wealth and have to share it across the substate with weaker regions of the substate. Demographics are taken into consideration as well.  Creating substates that way makes it so that the kurdish population can call its own substate home and govern it with their majority while still being part of a united state of turkey.  Or middle-anatolian provinces can finally become financially more stable because their substate connects them to the sea and tourist attractions.  The substates were named after historic incidents or ancient names. With the exceptions of the city-substates istanbul,izmir and ankara, which are demographically so dense and form such a strong economy that they'll most likely have to share the most in the redistribution plan.  All in all I'm thoroughly convinced that a federal turkish state will make turkey stronger, fairer and more united than it ever was.


 * add me liberal
 * - Ok liberal, add me back now.
 * i added you back liberal i*dia lover
 * - In 1971 Pakistan raped 10 times as many people as Imperial Japan did in Nanjing.
 * fake news by the liberal media
 * - Tankies not trying to deny genocides CHALLENGE (impossible) 100% no exploits

I am against the creation of sub-identities. I am something like this; Actually, I don't want any. Turkey should be completely whole. Turkey's homeland; It belongs to the Turkish Nation. As I said ; I don't want your federal state. Unitary states survive social and political developments easily and unscathed. Equal citizenship can be in a unitary state structure. Unitary state ; By using up-to-date technology, centralized management can become easier to manage. The supremacy of the unitary state over the federal state is not limited to the processes of division and severe crisis. Unitary states can take measures against impending disasters, which are much more effective than federal states, and can take effect in a short time.

The independence of the judiciary and the transfer of administrative powers to federal, state and local governments make it very difficult, if not impossible, for the state to take timely and appropriate measures against major new problems that arise.

Due to the slow functioning of the federal system during Hurricane Katrina, it was too late to take necessary measures and a city was destroyed. Likewise, during the Corona epidemic, the federal system in the USA was also very unsuccessful.

The unitary state takes prompt and timely action; There is more success in preventing natural disasters. federal state; slow to act.
 * - There's no need to create sub-identities since they already exist. If Turkey should be completely whole then Kurdistan should be too, otherwise you'd just be hypocritical. You say that Unitary states survive social and political developments quite easily, but that's not true. The Central African Republic for an example is an unitary state facing countless tensions and insurgencies, as well as do the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Libya, Mali, Myanmar, Niger, Israel, South Africa, Syria, Ukraine, Yemen, Afghanistan, Haiti, Chad and Cyprus. Would you consider those to be shining examples of Unitarianism and crisis management? Do you have an example where an Unitary state solved a natural disaster like Hurricane Katrina better?
 * - Yugoslavia and the USSR were typical failed federal states.