Talk:Stalinism

Socialism in one country was a big lie. Stalin did spread the revolution, starting by invading Poland. -unsigned

Clearly you don't understand the Marxist-Leninist principle of socialism in one country, it was invented by Lenin, and was less about ONE country, and more about ONE or SEVERAL countries and building socialism within those countries BEFORE exporting the revolution abroad. - Proletarian Banner

Objectively Cringe

 * How the hell can anyone like this psychopath, he killed millions of people and even people of his own party.


 * If Stalin never held his leadership position, Russia might still be a feudal, un-industrial backwaters and conquered by foreign powers. The industrialization was necessary to build up the military in preparation for war, Stalin knew that Hitler was going to invade and thus subsequently built up his military. His policies helped to win the Great Patriotic War(WW2) such as the scorcher policy where they had purposefully burned crops so that the Fascists could not eat them. If Stalin never came to power, there might've still been a highly illiterate populous, oh they would've been literate alright IN GERMAN because the Fascists wanted to conquer Eastern Europe as they considered the "Slavic race" "inferior". Also, if Stalin had never came to power, poverty and homelessness probably would've been extremely high! Also, Stalin wasn't some genocidal dictator, he had tried to resign four times, twice close to the beginning of his leadership, and twice closer to the end. The famines were caused by droughts, floods, and agricultural sabotage from the Kulaks. He was elected three times by party members and the CIA even admitted he was not a dictator.

Comments on the Change in Soviet Leadership by the Central Intelligence Agency: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80-00810A006000360009-0.pdf?fbclid=IwAR28x5c-GTROxLQT-ZBoTPkTupCV3t1B7qJQNTWVb91qbfHt1nbWhUA_CTU

The CPSU in a Soviet Election Campaign by Ronald J. Hill https://www.docdroid.net/25FEQ8G/the-cpsu-in-a-soviet-election-campaign-pdf

Stalin and the Struggle for Democratic Reform (Part One) by Grover Furr: https://ojs.library.ubc.ca/index.php/clogic/article/view/191861/188830

https://ojs.library.ubc.ca/index.php/clogic/article/view/191862/188831Comments

Now, on the Holodomor Famine, developing countries have famines normally, the Soviet Union was a developing country during the thirties and famines were common in Ukraine before the Soviet Union, once collectivization was achieved in full, Stalin had effectively ended famines after '47.

New Sources and Old Narratives - Roundtable on Soviet Famines by Arch Getty https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/contemporary-european-history/article/new-sources-and-old-narratives/AEF7CAE70399A58F42A4F2414400E573

Looking at what these new sources suggest, it seems that some things do not fit the Holodomor narrative regarding Stalin’s intentions. In the special folders we find, for example, secret Stalin orders during the famine to reduce grain exports, to reduce grain exactions or to return seed grain to villages.

...

Starting in 1930 the Politburo was worried about the demographic results of this 1914–21 catastrophe. They were eager to know how many young men would be available for military service in various years in the 1930s, and they repeatedly demanded detailed reports on the matter. Given this concern, it is not clear why Stalin would want to starve to death so many prospective soldiers at this precise time. Deliberately starving Ukraine does not easily fit the concern for maintaining the army.

Fraud, Famine and Fascism; The Ukrainian Genocide Myth from Hitler to Harvard by Douglas Tottle https://www.pdfdrive.com/fraud-famine-and-fascism-the-ukrainian-genocide-myth-from-hitler-to-harvard-e164648506.html

CONSOLIDATED LIST OF DOCUMENTS GARF, RGAE, RGASPI, CA FSB RUSSIA ON THE TOPIC “HUNGER IN THE USSR. 1930 - 1934 by Historical Documentation Department of Russia (Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia) https://idd.mid.ru/-/svodnyj-perecen-dokumentov-garf-rgae-rgaspi-ca-fsb-rossii-po-teme-golod-v-sssr-1930-1934-gg-#_Toc207687957 Note: Includes documents on sending food aid to Ukraine

Review of The Years of Hunger: Soviet Agriculture, 1931-1933 by Dr. Mark Tauger https://eh.net/book_reviews/the-years-of-hunger-soviet-agriculture-1931-1933/

The famine that took place was not limited to Ukraine or even to rural areas of the USSR, it was not fundamentally or exclusively man-made, and it was far from the intention of Stalin and others in the Soviet leadership to create such as disaster. A small but growing literature relying on new archival documents and a critical approach to other sources has shown the flaws in the “genocide” or “intentionalist” interpretation of the famine and has developed an alternative interpretation.

...the USSR experienced an unusual environmental disaster in 1932: extremely wet and humid weather that gave rise to severe plant disease infestations, especially rust. Ukraine had double or triple the normal rainfall in 1932. Both the weather conditions and the rust spread from Eastern Europe, as plant pathologists at the time documented. Soviet plant pathologists in particular estimated that rust and other fungal diseases reduced the potential harvest in 1932 by almost nine million tons, which is the largest documented harvest loss from any single cause in Soviet history.

The Great Famine in Ukraine 1932-34 - HOLODOMOR by Harvard MAPA: Digital Atlas of Ukraine http://harvard-cga.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=f7592aad617f486390d086f91bb24be3

Map of famine affected areas, included overlays for oblast collectivization and ethnicity percentages; shows no correlation between collectivization and famine.

“Holodomor”: Fact or Fiction by Anton https://discomfiting.medium.com/holodomor-fact-or-fiction-17324ffe1d46

Holodomor Hoax: West's 'Golden Embargo' and Soviet Famine of 1932-33 by Ekaterina Blinova https://sputniknews.com/russia/201511121029956744-holodomor-hoax-ussr-ukraine-starikov/ The causes of famine in the Ukraine http://marxism.halkcephesi.net/Ludo%20Martens/node77.html

Cringe
Hoffmann Cringe, the only good thing he did was fight nazis, besides that Stalin was a total psychopath who should be killed.

--If Stalin never held his leadership position, Russia might still be a feudal, un-industrial backwaters and conquered by foreign powers. The industrialization was necessary to build up the military in preparation for war, Stalin knew that Hitler was going to invade and thus subsequently built up his military. His policies helped to win the Great Patriotic War(WW2) such as the scorcher policy where they had purposefully burned crops so that the Fascists could not eat them. If Stalin never came to power, there might've still been a highly illiterate populous, oh they would've been literate alright IN GERMAN because the Fascists wanted to conquer Eastern Europe as they considered the "Slavic race" "inferior". Also, if Stalin had never came to power, poverty and homelessness probably would've been extremely high! Also, Stalin wasn't some genocidal dictator, he had tried to resign four times, twice close to the beginning of his leadership, and twice closer to the end. The famines were caused by droughts, floods, and agricultural sabotage from the Kulaks. He was elected three times by party members and the CIA even admitted he was not a dictator.

Comments on the Change in Soviet Leadership by the Central Intelligence Agency: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80-00810A006000360009-0.pdf?fbclid=IwAR28x5c-GTROxLQT-ZBoTPkTupCV3t1B7qJQNTWVb91qbfHt1nbWhUA_CTU

The CPSU in a Soviet Election Campaign by Ronald J. Hill https://www.docdroid.net/25FEQ8G/the-cpsu-in-a-soviet-election-campaign-pdf

Stalin and the Struggle for Democratic Reform (Part One) by Grover Furr: https://ojs.library.ubc.ca/index.php/clogic/article/view/191861/188830

https://ojs.library.ubc.ca/index.php/clogic/article/view/191862/188831Comments

Now, on the Holodomor Famine, developing countries have famines normally, the Soviet Union was a developing country during the thirties and famines were common in Ukraine before the Soviet Union, once collectivization was achieved in full, Stalin had effectively ended famines after '47.

New Sources and Old Narratives - Roundtable on Soviet Famines by Arch Getty https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/contemporary-european-history/article/new-sources-and-old-narratives/AEF7CAE70399A58F42A4F2414400E573

Looking at what these new sources suggest, it seems that some things do not fit the Holodomor narrative regarding Stalin’s intentions. In the special folders we find, for example, secret Stalin orders during the famine to reduce grain exports, to reduce grain exactions or to return seed grain to villages.

...

Starting in 1930 the Politburo was worried about the demographic results of this 1914–21 catastrophe. They were eager to know how many young men would be available for military service in various years in the 1930s, and they repeatedly demanded detailed reports on the matter. Given this concern, it is not clear why Stalin would want to starve to death so many prospective soldiers at this precise time. Deliberately starving Ukraine does not easily fit the concern for maintaining the army.

Fraud, Famine and Fascism; The Ukrainian Genocide Myth from Hitler to Harvard by Douglas Tottle https://www.pdfdrive.com/fraud-famine-and-fascism-the-ukrainian-genocide-myth-from-hitler-to-harvard-e164648506.html

CONSOLIDATED LIST OF DOCUMENTS GARF, RGAE, RGASPI, CA FSB RUSSIA ON THE TOPIC “HUNGER IN THE USSR. 1930 - 1934 by Historical Documentation Department of Russia (Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia) https://idd.mid.ru/-/svodnyj-perecen-dokumentov-garf-rgae-rgaspi-ca-fsb-rossii-po-teme-golod-v-sssr-1930-1934-gg-#_Toc207687957 Note: Includes documents on sending food aid to Ukraine

Review of The Years of Hunger: Soviet Agriculture, 1931-1933 by Dr. Mark Tauger https://eh.net/book_reviews/the-years-of-hunger-soviet-agriculture-1931-1933/

The famine that took place was not limited to Ukraine or even to rural areas of the USSR, it was not fundamentally or exclusively man-made, and it was far from the intention of Stalin and others in the Soviet leadership to create such as disaster. A small but growing literature relying on new archival documents and a critical approach to other sources has shown the flaws in the “genocide” or “intentionalist” interpretation of the famine and has developed an alternative interpretation.

...the USSR experienced an unusual environmental disaster in 1932: extremely wet and humid weather that gave rise to severe plant disease infestations, especially rust. Ukraine had double or triple the normal rainfall in 1932. Both the weather conditions and the rust spread from Eastern Europe, as plant pathologists at the time documented. Soviet plant pathologists in particular estimated that rust and other fungal diseases reduced the potential harvest in 1932 by almost nine million tons, which is the largest documented harvest loss from any single cause in Soviet history.

The Great Famine in Ukraine 1932-34 - HOLODOMOR by Harvard MAPA: Digital Atlas of Ukraine http://harvard-cga.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=f7592aad617f486390d086f91bb24be3

Map of famine affected areas, included overlays for oblast collectivization and ethnicity percentages; shows no correlation between collectivization and famine.

“Holodomor”: Fact or Fiction by Anton https://discomfiting.medium.com/holodomor-fact-or-fiction-17324ffe1d46

Holodomor Hoax: West's 'Golden Embargo' and Soviet Famine of 1932-33 by Ekaterina Blinova https://sputniknews.com/russia/201511121029956744-holodomor-hoax-ussr-ukraine-starikov/ The causes of famine in the Ukraine http://marxism.halkcephesi.net/Ludo%20Martens/node77.html - Proletarian Banner

LGBT and Dialectical Materialism
The disliking of LGBT individuals was only back in that time period, in the modern day most Marxist-Leninists or "Stalinists" as we are often erroneously known as, support the concepts of queer and trans emancipation and liberation in accordance with Dialectical Materialism. Most of the people who don't are the conservative communists which most Marxist-Leninists oppose, we oppose social conservatism and the people who consider themselves such, this is the modern day. Since it is Dialectical Materialism and not ordinary Materialism, trans people wouldn't be seen as too idealistic. A large portion of LGBT people are leftists, a lot of us are more specifically Marxist-Leninist communists. - Proletarian Banner

I agree with what proterbayrak wrote. Stalin is a great man.

Truth about the purges
The idea of Stalin being a "mass murderer" is statistically impossible. "The Soviet population increased by one-three million every year between 1927-37 excluding 1932", "Western powers attempted to halt Soviet industrialization via the "golden blockade", accepting only grain and oil for trade", "In 1932 Soviet grain exports were lowered by 340% while imports with countries that accepted gold increased", "Kulaks killed between 20-35% of all livestock", "In parts of Southern Ukraine, up to 50% of land was uncollected due to Kulak sabotage", "The Kulaks often did not even work their own farms", "Stalin sent aid as soon as the situation was realized, in one instance he had aid sent within a day after receiving a letter from a citizen", "Thanks to collectivization, the Soviets never had another large famine after 1947", "During peacetime, Gulag mortality was 3%, roughly equivalent to the mortality rate in current American prisons", "The maximum sentence for a Gulag was 10 years.", "Gulag prisoners were often paid local market wages, compared to American prisoners who are often unpaid", "Even the CIA has admitted to the large number of prisoners released from the Gulags each year!"

"I've heard that Yezhov (head of NKVD) was a German agent, is there actually any proof of it beyond his confession Because if there was that would explain the great purge" On January 29, 1939, Politburo members Beria, Andrei Andreev, and Georgii Malenkov signed a report detailing massive crimes during Ezhov’s tenure (Petrov and Iansen 2008, 359–363). This important evidence that the mass repression was Ezhov’s, not Stalin’s, doing was only published in 2008. During the next few years, further investigations and prosecutions of guilty NKVD men proceeded. According to the editors of a major document collection: ...in 1939 the NKVD arrested more than 44 thousand persons, about one fifteenth of the number arrested in 1938. Most of these arrests were in Western Ukraine and Belorussia [as a result of the retaking of these territories from Poland in September 1939 and the arrests of Polish officials and settlers]. During the same year about 110,000 persons were freed after the review of cases of those arrested in 1937–1938. (Khaustov 2006, 564 n. 11)

https://theirishmarxistleninist.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/life-and-terror-in-stalin-s-russia-1934-19411.pdf

https://espressostalinist.com/the-real-stalin-series/yezhovshchina/

https://espressostalinist.com/2013/11/05/victims-of-the-soviet-penal-system-in-the-pre-war-years-a-first-approach-on-the-basis-of-archival-evidence/