UserWiki:Duck-Citizen

[[File:Leftunity.png]] Left or [[File:Rightunity-yellow.png]] Right
My preferable social structure is Panarchism, people form voluntary association or choose existing ones to live in it. It is what some ancoms,  mutualists,  ancaps and  egoists propose, but I favour ancap's distribution of land system, because I never saw explanation in other ideologies. I'm right because of it, but inside of association people can form any economic model:  local state owns everything,  Gift Economy,  Capitalism,  worker's self management, it doesn't matter for me.

[[File:Authunity.png]] Auth or [[File:Libunity-yellow.png]] Libert
Every association is voluntary, so owner can't hold people and can't include them against their will, unless they made irreversable damage, everyone should be able to leave. I'm libertarian because of it, even tho, there are systems that offers the same and considered authoritarian, but aside from this, all other rules, laws and fines can be very strict or very loose, it doesn't matter for me.

[[File:Reactcross.png]] React or [[File:Prog-u.png]] Prog
It doesn't affect anything sugnificant, both can live separate from each other.

[[File:Envi.png]] Enviroment or [[File:Indust.png]] Industry
As you can guess idea of Anthropogenic Climate Change doesn't fit there... well, it doesn't exist then. However all other problems, proven or not can be fought locally by associations however they see possible.

[[File:Deontology.png]] Deontological Ethics
"Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus" - Ferdinand I, Holy Roman Emperor

[[File:Property.png]]Property
Any action dictated by values, if ask yourself many many times why you did something, you find it. And for me this value is liberty or freedom, being free. What is required to be free? Obviously, first thing required is selfownership, if someone else owns you, you are slave, opposite of being free. What is next? Can person own something else except himself? Let's assume everything else have no owner, and nobody can own it. In this case, you cannot interact with anything, can't even touch. What if everything is owned by everyone? In this case, you must ask everyone whether or not you can use anything, that's absurd because every action would take insane amount of time to performe. We can conclude, that ownership outside of your body must have a condition. There are two of them: claiming by word and claiming by action. Claim by word wouldn't be enough because it would require one to transmit this information about ownership constantly to all nearby people, meanwhile action is visible to everyone who stamble upon such property.

Thus, I can conclude that Lockean way of receiving property initially is required for freedom. That covers not only private property but also "personal" property, temporal characteristic of property in Mutualism, property in Gift Economy, even Communalism. Difference with them goes not in a fact that person can own and use resources, but how. By itself concept of property between different ideologies have enough in common to form voluntary associations between different views on it (with exception of Communalism, which is a strawman anyway).

Now I would like to explain how exactly I see property working in defferent systems:
 * [[File:Communalist.png]] Communalism - people claim ownership by action, but they cannot refuse a trade, on the other hand the person who took something from you cannot refuse trade either. I didn't expect much from a concept done for fun.
 * [[File:GE.png]] Gift Economy - people claim ownership by action, trade is voluntary, you can gift something back in the same time or later. Renting is impossible since you can't agree on returning ownership back.
 * [[File:Marketsoc.png]] Market Socialism - You cannot rent property therefore cannot hire workers, you need to share property with them for it. It seems to me as even harsher system than capitalism, and capitalism is going in this direction. [[File:Mutalist.png]]Prudon proposed duration of ownership, that you need to physically touch it from time to time, to continue for it to be yours. This condition doesn't affect freedom from my perspective.
 * [[File:Cap.png]] Capitalism - Hire, Rent, Gift, everything you can do there. But ownership is permanent.
 * [[File:Soc-h.png]] Socialism - What they mostly focused about is needs oriented economy. All labor result is owned collectively by the whole commune, distributed through direct democracy, communes are volantire, obviously people of greater, rarer skill will get what they want or leave somewhere their skills would be valued fairer, while less demanded labor will be rewarded with minimum wage (food and shelter) or even kicked out of the commune, practically resulting in Market Socialism.
 * [[File:Cameralism.png]] [[File:Statesoc.png]] [[File:Statecap.png]] [[File:Corptism.png]] [[File:Socauth.png]] State Economy - I don't see difference between them. If voluntary association decided that it is the best for them, it's fine. All resources belongs to one entity. Trade, Rent, Gift forbidden or regulated.
 * [[File:Illeg.png]] Theft - Involuntary trade as well as Communalism. Both sides are not equal in actions to choose, I don't see difference with what state does usually.
 * [[File:Georgist.png]] Georgism - TBA

Alignments
Ideologies= Neutral: Negative: Self-Inserts=
 * All ideologies can coexist with Anarcho-Capitalism
 * [[File:Illeg.png]] Illegalism - depends on context
 * [[File:Avar.png]] Avaritionism
 * [[File:Imp.png]] Imperialists
 * [[File:World.png]] Globalists +
 * [[File:Georgist.png]] Georgism
 * [[File:GE.png]] Gift Economy
 * [[File:Soc-h.png]] Socialism
 * [[File:Marketsoc.png]] Market Socialism
 * [[File:Ultranat.png]] Ultranationalists
 * Jails:
 * [[File:Hoxha.png]] Hoxhaism
 * [[File: Juche.png]] Juche
 * [[File: Stalin.png]] Stalinism
 * [[File:Castro.png]] Cuba
 * [[File:Cball-Iran.png]] Iran
 * [[File:Salazar.png]] Salazarism
 * [[File:Cball-Myanmar.png]] Myanmar
 * [[File: Dengf.png]] Dengism
 * [[File:Honecker.png]] Honeckerism

Friendly

 * [[File:Statehoppeanism-icon.png]] Heinrich Cheung - His endgoal is horrible, but he also believes his system can be build only after anacho-capitalism.
 * [[File:Mutalist.png]] TheGhostOfInky - His endgoal is fine, but he also a strong supporter of austrian economics school, so we have no ground for debate.

Ideologically close

 * [[File:JoeyFloppa_boo.png]] JoeyFloppa
 * [[File:Polfaxicon.png]] PoliticalFactMachine
 * [[File:Coindorni-icon-new.png]] Coindorni
 * [[File:ωFlugelIcon.png]] Omega Flugel - He agrees with Tucker about source of rights.
 * [[File:Bsaheedism-icon.png]] Bsaheedism
 * [[File:Theghostofinky-sprite.png]] Inky
 * [[File:Jade.png]] ForestCryptid
 * [[File:BeryAbLib.png]] BeryAb-ism
 * [[File:Libcon.png]] ResponsibleCitizen

Territorial statists

 * [[File:Bmanthought.png]] Bman
 * [[File:Balodismaxesmall.png]] IvarsBalodis
 * [[File:Skyrum536.png]] Skyrum536
 * [[File:Higg.png]] rNazor - you tell it is right to kill communists and claim yourself to be panarchist, make up your mind.
 * [[File:Corplibswap.png]] Tony
 * [[File:NSL.png]] Pirate Tails
 * [[File:Typicalfan2.png]] Typicalfan4
 * [[File:Admiralism_Icon.png]] Nuoh

Individual imperialism

 * [[File:PostChronic.png]] ChronicFemcel
 * [[File:Ultro.png]] LordCompost86
 * [[File:Councilguy2.png]] Councilguy
 * [[file:Affiliated-grump.png]] Affiliatedism
 * [[File:Postniv.png]] Niveous Laccolith
 * [[File:Ecoegosmall.png]] AshleyHere
 * [[File:TipuiSmall.png]] Tipui

Imperialists

 * [[File:KaiserMouse.png]] KaiserKlausMouse
 * [[File:Ukraiana Tiny picture2.png]] Ukraiana
 * [[File:Aaron.png]] Aaron
 * [[File:MATTball.png]] Matteel
 * [[File:YellingLiber.png]] YellingYowie
 * [[File:RojanALT.PNG]] Rojanism

Comments section

 * [[File:Ultro.png]] LordCompost Kind of ironic that the Egoists (who are impartial and don't care about pushing or forcing their view) are called Imperialists by a Neo-Feudalist.
 * [[File:Duckf.png]] In our private discussion you told that you would like to steal, kill other person. It could be me, it could be someone I love or like. What else should I think about you? And why you don't think the same about other egoists?
 * [[File:Ultro.png]] LordCompost So if you're life depended on it or you needed to steal/kill someone you would just let yourself die? Okay well have fun dying in this world then - that wants to kill you. lol. I don't want you to change your opinion of me - I just know that you wish to systematise and create an even worse world full of permanent stealing and muder of people you wouldn't even ever interact with - If someone ends up owning property and nearly all property (which happened under fuedalism) then people born on that land can't own property and thus become slaves - So you are clearly worse. And I do think the same of other egoists - I just know that I will get on with them as they will help me - unlike you, who chooses to believe in nonsense like Anarcho-Capitalism and wishes to return to a terrible period in history.
 * [[File:Duckf.png]] Old fairytales about monopolies under capitalism. Not like all land throughout of history was taken by imperialism, trades was exceptional.
 * [[File:Ultro.png]] LordCompost NOOOO the austrian school told me they aren't real! "Not like all land throughout of history was taken by imperialism" Yes that is how Capitalism started - the wealth distribution and classes began through the merchant guilds and imperialism - then the wealth just stayed in "the fews" hands - that is why people want to get rid of capitalism because it doesn't just allow for wealth to be created - it allows wealth to be stolen.
 * UserWiki:BeryAb Out of curiosity, not attempting to call you out for anything, but why do you consider Matteel to be an imperialist? His foreign policy, to me, appears doveish rather than hawkish.
 * [[File:Duckf.png]] He calls himself internationalist and globalist, I didn't descend into specifics.
 * UserWiki:Tony567 I changed my Ideology so could update relationships please
 * UserWiki:Ukraiana Why do you believe I'm an imperalist?
 * [[File:Duckf.png]] Your opinions on current events suggests, that you don't see anything bad with enforcing people to live under your system.
 * [[File:Ultro.png]] LordCompost You said you would forcibly attack and put a stop to small tribes because you disagreed with their culture. You are actually the most imperialistic person on this wiki.
 * [[File:Duckf.png]] I said I will, if we had agreement before, that they won't practice child murder.
 * [[File:Ultro.png]] LordCompost If every imperialist nation made an agreement with the people they are attacking and enforcing their values on to only do what the imperialists want - then there would be no imperialism. So that is still just normal imperialism. Besides as I said - they killed infants so that a) the infants would starve later and B) so the whole tribe didnt run out of food. But to you either being an imperialist or letting them all die is better.