UserWiki:NotLibra

I'm Libra and I shitpost most of the time, although I try to be serious here.

=Beliefs=

[[File:Markets.png]] How Capitalism is exploitative [[File:Corp.png]]
The wretched and gross capitalist system we live is a modern form of slavery that is in it's essence, a form of serfdom. Under capitalism, you are forced to either work and have every cent extracted from your labor, or live in poverty unemployed and without a house nor money or food to survive on. It is that essence of the capitalist system that is the reason I advocate for socialism as an alternative to the violence and greed of the dictatorship of the bourgeoise that capitalism as an economic system brings to the working class.

[[File:Cybercom.png]] Cybercommunism and State Socialism [[File:Statesoc.png]]
A centrally planned economy in my eyes, is the only system that will fufill each according to his ability to each according to his needs. Using artificial intelligence and computerized math, we have the ability to calculate hundreds of equations and be able to plan much easier and much faster, and be able to allocate resources much more efficiently.

[[File:AuthDirectdem.png]] Government and What is Revolutionary Democracy? [[File:AuthSoc.png]]
My ideal government would be based upon the principles of what I call Revolutionary Democracy. Effectively, it's a semi-direct democracy, with workers' councils electing representatives to the Supreme Council of the entire country. However, there are also referendums on important things that happen nationally; with workers voting on issues like the budget of the government, etc. Multiple parties in a united front would probably not be needed; but I'd support it if needed to for revolutionary success.

Freedom of speech and constructive criticism would be encouraged heavily as a part of ensuring healthy democracy. However, counterrevolutionary messages would not be allowed, as they would be considered threats to democracy and the gains of the people.

 10 Goals of Revolutionary Democracy

1) To overthrow the current neoliberal oligarchy, and establish a workers-peasants-soldiers government.

2) To nationalize the oil and healthcare industries.

3) To establish a people's democratic dictatorship of the working class, built on the principles of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, with equal rights for all, no matter race, gender, or sexual orientation.

4) To abolish the position of landlord in both cities and the countryside.

5) To implement a six-hour workday, or a thirty-hour workweek. This would come with 35 days of annual leave at a minimum.

6) To make college free and erase all student loan debt.

7) To guarantee equal rights for African-Americans, Natives, LGBT+, etc.

8) To replace the current prison system with a tamer and rehabilitation-focused system. Only the most severe of crimes (pedophilia, rape, human trafficking, treason) would be punishable by death.

9) To encourage freedom of expression and speech for all citizens, so that a culture of transparency can form in politics.

10) To eradicate oppressive, bourgeois traditions and institute a new socialist culture.

[[File:Vanguardism.png]] Purpose of the Vanguard [[File:ML.png]]
The vanguard party would be made up of professional revolutionaries and intellectuals. Why should we have such an organization to exist? Simple: The material conditions of the West currently make it so that spontaneous action isn't likely. We currently live in a post-industrial society, where not many know about Marxism besides how bad it is. The task of the vanguard would be to carry out the revolution, which would be achieved by educating workers on Marxist theory, and drumming up support for such a system. After the revolution, the party would be tasked with educating the working class, and setting up socialism. Collective leadership would be practiced in the party, with the First Secretary only being in charge of managing party cells around the country and other things.

[[File:Mao.png]] How to Achieve Revolution
To achieve revolution, the best way to do so is to use the strategy theorized by Mao Zedong known as Protracted People's War. Now you might ask: "Isn't PPW only meant for rural and developing nations?"

The answer to that question is no, as you can develop PPW into urban areas. There have many cases of urban protracted wars throughout history, such as the struggles of Iraq under American occupation, Northern Ireland during the Troubles, the current Palestinian struggle against Irsaeli imperialism. The vanguard party must adopt to the material condition of its country, and rile up the masses.

[[File:Demsucc.png]] Why Multi-Party Socialism Is Invalid [[File:LibtardSoc.png]]
Many new to the left ask why the socialist nations of the 21st century had one party in power, and ask why we cannot have more. Many see a multiparty socialist system as desirable and wanted, but this is simply not the case. Parties in history have represented class lines, and not actual ideological ones. We practically live under a one party system in capitalism, as all the major parties serve the same bourgeois mode of production in power. With this in mind, why should we have multiple parties if they're just going to serve the same class interests? Why shouldn't we have one party representing the working class and not tens of smaller parties that only divide and weaken them?

Hypothetical Government Following My Beliefs
People's Commonwealth of Columbia

Revolutionary Democratic Front

Communist Party of the PCC


 * [[File:ML.png]] Marxism-Leninism
 * [[File:MLM.png]] Marxism-Leninism-Mao Zedong Thought (after 1984)
 * [[File:Authprog.png]] Authoritarian Progressivism
 * [[File:Laicism.png]] Laicism
 * [[File:Lpop.png]] Left-Wing Populism
 * [[File:Ecosoc.png]] Eco-Socialism
 * [[File:Internat.png]] Proletarian Internationalism
 * [[File:DemML.png]] People's Democracy
 * [[File:Newdem.png]] New Democracy
 * [[File:Fed.png]] Federalism
 * [[File:Leftnat.png]] Left-Wing Nationalism

Other National Front Members

Christian People's Party


 * [[File:DemML.png]] People's Democracy
 * [[File:Christcom.png]] Christian Communism
 * [[File:Agsoc.png]] Agrarian Socialism
 * [[File:LiberationTheo.png]] Liberation Theology
 * [[File:Consocf.png]] Conservative Socialism (some)

National Agrarian People's League for Columbia


 * [[File:Agsoc.png]] Agrarian Socialism
 * [[File:Consocf.png]] Conservative Socialism
 * [[File:Natcom.png]] National Communism
 * [[File:DemML.png]] People's Democracy

Democratic Socialist Party


 * [[File:DemML.png]] People's Democracy
 * [[File:Dsa.png]] Democratic Socialism
 * [[File:Marketsoc.png]] Market Socialism

Banned Political Parties

Constitutionalist-Republican Party


 * [[File:Natcon.png]] National Conservatism
 * [[File:Altl.png]] Alt-Lite
 * [[File:Natlib.png]] National Libertarianism
 * [[File:Plcn2.png]] Paleoconservatism
 * [[File:Natcom.png]] National Communism

Communist Party of the PCC (Pancartas)


 * [[File:Moderate_ML.png]] Marxism-Leninism
 * [[File:Khrusch.png]] Khrushchevism
 * [[File:Natcom.png]] National Communism
 * [[File:DemML.png]] People's Democracy
 * [[File:Consocf.png]] Conservative Socialism (many)

Democratic Party


 * [[File:Neoliberal-icon.png]] Neoliberalism
 * [[File:Soccap.png]] Social Capitalism
 * [[File:3way.png]] Third Way
 * [[File:Libfem.png]] Liberal Feminism

Governmental Institutions

Legislature


 * [[File:Soc.png]] Supreme Assembly of Workers' and Peasants



Bodies of the Party


 * [[File:ML.png]] Central Committee of the CPPCC
 * [[File:Oligarchy.png]] Political Bureau of the Communist Party of the PCC (Poliburo)

Administrative Organ
 * [[File:globnat.png]] Ministry of Foreign Affairs
 * [[File:PolState.png]] Ministry for the Defense of the Revolution
 * [[File:Mil.png]] People's Army
 * [[File:PolState.png]] Revolutionary People's Police Force
 * [[File:Welf.png]] Ministry of Health
 * [[File:TechnoCom.png]] Ministry for Scientific Research and Development
 * [[File:Nooc.png]] Ministry of Education
 * [[File:Multicult.png]] Ministry for Culture and Arts
 * [[File:DVCoordination.png]] Ministry for Economics
 * [[File:TechnoCom.png]] State Planning Committee
 * [[File: Agsoc.png]] Ministry for Agricultural Affairs
 * [[File:Mediastocracy_flair.png]] Ministry for Communications and Media
 * [[File:Mediastocracy_flair.png]] United Brodcasting System
 * [[File:Synd.png]] Ministry of Labor Affairs
 * [[File:Ecosoc.png]] Ministry of the Environment

Chairman of the Communist Party of the PCC


 * [[File:Mao.png]] Alexander Libra (1946-1981)

First Secretaries of the Communist Party of the PCC


 * [[File:MLM.png]] Jackie Dean (1981-1991)
 * [[File:MLM.png]] Emily Armstrong (1991-2001)
 * [[File:Leftnat.png]] Kai Hunter (2001-2011)
 * [[File:ML.png]] Nathan Bisahalani (2011-2021)
 * [[File:LiberationTheo.png]] Alejandro Cantava (2021-present)

President of the Republic


 * [[File:Mao.png]] Alexander Libra (1956-1981)
 * [[File:Ultraprogressivism.png]] Dyonte Watkins (1981-1993)
 * [[File:MLM.png]] Emily Armstrong (1993-2001)
 * [[File:ML.png]] Maximilian Collier (2001-2016)
 * [[File:Mao.png]] Nickolas Macias (2016-present)

Organizations in Government


 * [[File:Marxfem.png]] Revolutionary Democratic Woman's Association (18+)
 * [[File:Commie.png]] Revolutionary Communist Youth Association (13-18)
 * [[File:Commie.png]] Proletarian Association for Workers' Interests
 * [[File:Agsoc.png]] Agricultural Association of Peasants and Farmers

Lore: In the 1950s, with the recession, and the growing tensions in the US, the Southwest would have a shocking rise in socialism, with the Marxist-Leninist 'Socialist Workers' Party' growing in popularity, thanks to their populist rhetoric. With the 2nd Civil War starting, they would declare the Democratic Republic of Texas, with help of the USSR. After a campaign to gain the support of the rest of the Southwest for the creation of a socialist republic. The DRT, the Republic of Oklahoma, and the Free State of Louisiana, would all sign a treaty proclaiming the People's Commonwealth of Columbia as a federal republic. The PCC would face blockade and economic sanctions, but would be able to use its' oil to massively improve the situation in Columbia.

Lore
1957-Early 1960s | Post-War Recovery

With the revolution finally coming to a close, the PCC now a united federation, is tasked with rebuilding itself from the ashes of the old. Thanks to large natural resource reverses, the PCC recovers fast due to selling petroleum and natural gas across the world. With this oil money, they'd use it to rebuild infrastructure and industry, as well as develop other things like healthcare. The PCC would side with China over the USSR due to shared anti-revisionism and dislike of the Khrushchevist revisionist government.

1960s-1970s | Development and Progress

The 1960s would be remembered as a golden age in the PCC, with massive economic growth and the growth of art and culture. The PCC would help various revolutionary movements at this time, pushing their anti-revisionist, anti-capitalist, and anti-imperialist policies into much of Latin America. In 1966, a cultural revolution would start in the PCC modeled after the Chinese one. Religion would be heavily targeted by this, with revolutionary groups often breaking into churches and burning them down along with any bibles not destroyed. Chairman Libra would however denounce this and bring it to a hault.

1970s-1980s | Continued Prosperity

The 1970s would see continued prosperity in the PCC even with the conflict surrounding it. Chairman Libra would continue his anti-revisionist stance, but would not side with Albania during the Sino-Albanian Split of the late 70s. The Chairman's health however, would worsen over this time.

1980s-1990s | Death of the Chairman

In 1981, Chairman Alexander Libra would die, and a power struggle would ensue. The economy would start stagnating with this turmoil. Jackie Dean would end up at the top of this power struggle, and would officially institute MLM as the official ideology of the party. Her clique would rule for the decades to come, and she'd help revive the economy soon after consolidating power.

1990s-2000s | Decade of Terror

An IMCWP meeting would take place regarding the threat of Spain, which was and still is a totalitarian, fascist dictatorship. Agreements would be reached regarding this threat between different socialist countries. Meanwhile, not only did a fascist uprising happened in the American Federation in 1996, but also the 6/12 attack on the Federation, which the PCC was one of the first countries to mourn.

2000s-2020s | Dawn of a New Millennium

This decade would be one of prosperity and peace in this new optimistic century, with the Sydney Olympics taking place, where the PCC would get 5th place, just behind the Soviet Union. In the 2010s, Libya would be faced with a civil war between Gaddafist government forces and rebels. The PCC would help Gaddafi's forces beat back the rebels, although the war is still going on to this day.

2020s | COVID Erupts

With COVID-19 erupting, the PCC would shut down the country and institute things like mandatory vaccines and social distancing. These things would help beat back COVID, with the PCC only facing around 19,000 cases in a country with 44 million people.

Fictional Ideologies of Leaders

 * [[File:PCcolumbia.png]] Alexander Libra Thought

Foreign Relations

 * [[File:Cball-USSR.png]] Soviet Union - The PCC and Soviet Union have had an up and down relationship between the years, with peaceful cooporation at one point, and Columbia denouncing "Soviet Imperialism" at another point.


 * [[File:Cball-China.png]] China - The Communist Party of China and the Communist Party of the PCC continue to have a special relationship, with close cooperation and solidarity between the two.


 * [[File:Hochi.png]] Vietnam and [[File:Castro.png]] Cuba - Both have retained strong relationships with the PCC, and many Vietnamese and Cuban students have studied in Columbia and vice versa.


 * [[File:Cball-North Korea.png]] Democratic People's Republic of Korea - Although having been criticized by Chairman Alexander Libra for various reasons, they have had quite a strong relationship throughout the years.


 * [[File:Cball-EastGermany.png]] German Democratic Republic - Same as above.


 * [[File:Cball-Albania.png]] Albania - Albania and the PCC have retained a strong relationship built on anti-revisionism and socialist solidarity, as well as being allied with China.


 * [[File:Cball-Palestine.png]] Palestine - The Columbian Government has said they will not and do not plan to recognize Israel, and they see it as a illegitimate, bourgeois state.


 * [[File:LeninisBasedsmall.png]] Canadian People's Republic - Proclaimed by the USPC as the "brother in-arms" of the Columbian people, Canada under communist leadership has been one of the strongest allies of Columbia, cooperating in the fields of science, engineering, and technological development.


 * [[File:AmericanFederation.png]] American Federation - Relations between the two have either been hostile towards each other, or tolerant of each other, due to differing ideologies and goals. However, they're mostly tolerant of each other nowadays.


 * [[File:Sahala.png]] Federal Socialist Republic of Sahala - Relations between Sahala and Columbia have been strong for almost 70 years, with Columbia helping Sahala become self-sufficent in things like fertilizer development. They both sided with Mao, and when [[File:RayiysShaban.png]] Rayiys Shaban died in 1958; Columbia was one of the first countries to mourn his death.



Economy of the People's Commonwealth of Columbia
The economy of the PCC has a total GDP of about $4.4T, the second largest behind the American Federation but ahead of Canada. It is a centrally planned economy with the "Committee for Central Management" in charge. The economy throughout the ages has been mostly stable, although taking occasional dips every once and a while. The annual GDP per capita is about $95,000, well ahead of Canada and the American Federation. Annual income for a regular citizen is about $55,000-$60,000, behind Canada. Human development wise, the country ranks ahead of the American Federation but behind Canada slightly at an HDI of 0.957 compared to Canada's 0.959. Annual growth is about 3-8%-4.5% per year.

The Columbian healthcare system has long been praised for its efficiency, ranking well above the rest of the world. There have been many cases of foreigners sneaking into Columbia to get free healthcare so they don't have to pay thousands in debt to go to the doctor.

The economy is centrally planned for the most part, although family owned businesses have been tolerated for quite some time. The country from 1957-1965 implemented the "Mechanism for Socialist Development", or the MSD, an NEP-style policy to help the economy revive after the revolution.

Other Alternate History Scenarios I've made
 People's Democratic Republic of Sahala

Patriotic Motherland Front


 * [[File:Commie.png]] Communist Party of Sahala

Workers' Associations and Committees


 * [[File:Soc.png]] Workers' Revolutionary Committee
 * [[File:Agsoc.png]] Association of Sahali Peasants
 * [[File:Marxfem.png]] Revolutionary Socialist Women's League
 * [[File:Socialist_Patriotism.png]] Rayiys Shaban Socialist Youth League
 * [[File:Socialist_Patriotism.png]] Rayiys Shaban Socialist Pioneers League

Leaders of Sahala


 * [[File:RayiysShaban.png]] Rayiys Shaban (1949-1958)
 * [[File:Oligarchy.png]] Sêrokatî (1958-1959)
 * [[File:MarwandHafiz.png]] Marwand Hafiz (1959-1974)
 * [[File:Consocf.png]] Iraj Esfahani (1974-1979)
 * [[File:Progcom.png]] Angar Ghilazi (1979, acting)
 * [[File:Marxfem.png]] Safiyya Hafiz (1979-1989)
 * [[File:Liberalsoc.png]] Yemlud Miah (1989-1994)
 * [[File:Marketsoc.png]] Sepand Tajik (1994-2004)
 * [[File:CronyCapCom.png]] Zar Gul Mohammedzai (2004-2009)
 * [[File:Moderate_ML.png]] Mohammad Pasha Shaban (2009-2019)
 * [[File:Marxfem.png]] Sifa Jalali (2019-present)

Other Politicians


 * [[File:Khrusch.png]] Ali Khaledi
 * [[File:Natcom.png]] Aliskander Vatani
 * [[File:Ultraprogressivism.png]] Jasmin Salah Pasha
 * [[File:ML.png]] Hossein Najafi
 * [[File:AuthMarkSoc.png]] Sahar Umar Khel
 * [[File:MLMTerrorist.png]] Salman Gaya Bahri
 * [[File:ML.png]] Hamed Yazdani
 * [[File:Mao.png]] Jahan Siddiqui
 * [[File:Mao.png]] Arzhang Manesh
 * [[File:AuthMarkSoc.png]] Har Goyal
 * [[File:Stalin.png]] Nabeel Sheikh
 * [[File:Bundis.png]] Shlomo Perlman
 * [[File:Marketsoc.png]] Omid Bijin
 * [[File:Moderate_ML.png]] Zargar Khasani

Ideologies'


 * [[File:RayiysShaban.png]]Rayiys Shaban Thought


 * [[File:MarwandHafiz.png]]Marwand Hafiz Thought


 * [[File:Marketsoc.png]] Nûwetî


 * [[File:Authcomcap.png]]Zar Gul Mohamedzai Thought


 * [[File:Moderate_ML.png]] Pashaism/Neo-Rayiys Shaban Thought

[[File:Ultraprogressivism.png]] Social Issues [[File:Progress.png]]
For the most part, I'm very progressive culturally. I'm for things like gay marriage, legalization of most drugs, abortion rights, transgender rights, etc. Except for my takes on religion, I could be considered somewhat of a Revolutionary Progressive.

I'm a huge secularist, but not a  State Atheist. Religion is a powerful tool that can tear a government apart, and banning all religions will just help capitalists come and start a rebellion under the pretext of religion. Of course, a strict secularization of society is needed, but not the complete banning of all religion. That's why Laicism is the best option for a socialist government, and not State Atheism.

For the most part, I'm fine with gun rights. It's mostly because before the revolution, having guns is you know.. good for revolution, and because after the revolution, people will be trying to attack us left and right, so we should train people to actually handle weapons, as these trained workers could form militias to help us fight any invader. Also, the conditions that cause things like shootings (poverty, mental health issues around the country, etc) wouldn't exist, or be as bad under socialism.

Abortion in my eyes is a right of woman to do. The fetuses aren't developed yet, and alive so no, it's not murder. If a woman doesn't want to give birth to a child, they should have the option to abort it.

As bisexual myself, I'm for the rights of members of the LGBT+ community. They're all human beings just like like you and me, and should be treated as such. The struggle of the LGBT community is a struggle against reactionary and superstitious behavior.

I call for a post-revolutionary society to have a cultural revolution to rid it of reactionary, bourgeois thought. However, it's important that this cultural revolution does not lead to chaos and violence like what happened with the Chinese Cultural Revolution.

[[File:Globnat.png]] Foreign Policy
I'd pursue a policy of protectionism and non-involvement in the affairs of the world, besides financing rebellions, and trade. This is because we should focus on building socialism at home before exporting said revolution. If socialism is not built up and still in infancy when exporting it is ready, these revolutions will die. Preferably though, a revolution would start across the world at around the same time, to help ensure the survival of such rebellion.

My thoughts on foreign countries -

First of, the US and the West in general. These countries are built off the exploitation of others at home and abroad, and finance reactionaries to help them continue this exploitation. Therefore, we should take an active role against them, and their imperialistic policies. The USA has a history of thiefdom, genocide, and more disgusting acts. (Manifest Destiny inspired the Nazi idea of Lebensraum)

Secondly, the AES countries. China is a social imperialist nation that while not as bad as the US, is still an imperialist nation that shouldn't be supported unless against aggression by the west. Vietnam's system is like China's but less capitalistic and not imperialist. Cuba has a very good system right now, although I fear capitalist restoration might be on the way. I don't know much about Laos, but they seem okay. Finally, the DPRK should be supported against imperialism, although they have done things like get rid of all mentions of Marxism-Leninism and communism in their official documents.

On Kosovo vs Serbia, Kosovo should have the right of self-determination, but they should of held a referendum for independence and tried to work out something with Serbia before doing so. Overall, my opinion's neutral.

On the Russo-Ukrainian conflict, I dislike both sides. Both sides (Russia and NATO) are interested in exporting capital and gaining more influence in Ukraine. However, I critically support the separatist movements in Donetsk and Luhansk, as they have a right to self-determination and should be given it if they wish.

On the Cuban Embargo, it shouldn't of been done in the first place, and it should of been removed a long time. It's effectively a genocide of the Cuban population designed to starve the population so that another neo-colonial regime can jump in and let the U.S exploit the third world even more.

Finally... Israel and Palestine I think it's pretty obvious what my take is on the situation considering my political beliefs, but for those who can't figure it out - Israel is committing settler colonialism against the Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza, to create an ethnostate with no room for minorities.

[[File:Bernst.png]] Reform or Revolution? [[File:Ormarxf.png]]
I think it's pretty obvious which I prefer, but for the smoll brains here; Revolution 95% of the time. Reforms are just concessions to the working class, and can be overturned at any time. Therefore, revolution is the best option. However, reform can be used to help pave the way FOR a revolution.

[[File:Cball-Texas.png]]On Texas
The Texan Republicans were already pretty bad, but it wasn't until the last two years that we've seen how bad it could get for them. They have becoming increasingly reactionary, transphobic, homophobic, and overall, have become even worse. Let's not forget their limiting of abortion rights, even for those who need it, and their attempts at seceding not because of any actual problem, but because they don't like the current president and want to be able to be even more radical and reactionary.

Political Journey
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Apolitical (2007-2019)

Like everyone, I was apolitical for a while. I didn't really care about politics for a while, even during the 2016 election. However, my love for history led me to politics.

Libertarian/Alt-Lite Period (2019-March 2021)

At this time, I called myself a libertarian, and watched many libertarian channels, but I had culturally centre right views on things like abortion. This had mostly been an adoption of my dad's views. This lasted a while, however I'd slowly start deradicalizing and moving left.

Social Capitalist and Moderate Libertarian Period (March 2021-August 2021)

At this time, I'd start realizing how stupid many libertarian thinking points were, and I'd start to watch youtubers like Kraut. I'd basically become a Third Way Libertarian, being a libertarian in most aspects, but liking things like public healthcare and welfare.

Left-Libertarian Period (August 2021-January 2022)

I'd start to become more disillusioned with the current political sphere, and would grow more radical in my demands. I'd be a Libertarian Social Democrat at this time.

Libertarian Marxist Period (January 2022-April 2022)

At this point, I'd be much more politically literate, and would start looking into Marxism, and I'd like it a lot, especially after discovering BadEmpanada, Hakim, and Viki1999's channels. However, I'd carry on the anti-authoritarianism of my last few phases.

Moderate Marxist-Leninist Phase (April 2022-June 2022)

I'd look more into Lenin, and would start reading his works. I'd also realize that America needed a vanguard if we're ever to have a revolution. Watching ML youtubers like Hakim and Second Thought would help me transition to an State Socialist as well. This is also about the time I made my polcompball page. At this time, I was more moderate on political figures like Joseph Stalin; and making some very questionable arguments against them that looking back.. were kind of shit.

Continued Marxist-Leninist and Guevarist Phase (June 2022-August 2022)

I became more politically literate in Marxist-Leninist literature and fully broke out of my old Libertarian Socialist ways.

MLM/Current Phase (August 2022-)

Originally, I had been very skeptical of Maoism as an ideology, due to me having very simplistic viewpoints about PPW and the various Maoist movements. However, I eventually decided to leave these simplistic views behind, and to look deeper. I ended up finding I actually had more in common ideologically with many MLMs than I thought I did. And that's where we end the story.

Music I listen to
I mostly listen to genres like alt-rock and heavy metal, and sometimes rap. My favorite band is probably Rage Against the Machine, tied with it being Sabaton and System of a Down.

Political Views of Family
Dad Mom Younger Sister Uncle Aunt

Political Views of People I know
Discord

Andy Sir Nugget Gopnik Award Mapper OKTovarisch Oro Scan Dan

Political Tests
DozenValues

Equality 91.2%/ 8.8% Property (Communist)

Coordination 82.4% / 16.6% Commerce (Directed)

Dominion 53.5% / 46.5% Anarchy (Representative)

Permission 40.7% / 59.3% Restriction (Restrictive)

Inclusivity 88.9% / 11.1% Supremacy  (Inclusive)

Heritage 29.4% / 71.6% Novelty (Neoteric)

Ideology: Guevarism

LeftValues

Revolution 94% / 6% Reform (Extremely Revolutionary)

Scientific 79.2% / 20.8% Utopian (Very Scientific)

Central 93.3% / 6.7% Decentral (Very Centralist)

International 74% / 26% National (Internationalist)

Party 69.2% / 30.8% Union (Partisan)

Production 38.9% / 61.1% Ecology (Ecological)

Conservative 8.8% / 91.2% Progressive (Very Progressive)

Closest Match: Marxism-Leninism

Next Closest Match:

Orthodox Marxism 99.5%

Eco-Marxism 97.9%

Left Communism 93.1%

Council Communism 92.7%

Centrist Marxism 81.8%

Left-Wing Nationalism 78.5%

User Test
Like all of these tests, you will have 10 questions. The scoring like always works like this:

Agree - 1 Point Neutral/Unsure - 0.5 Points Disagree - 0 Points

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1) I am a Marxist and/or a Revolutionary Socialist. - 1 Point I am a socialist, but not a revolutionary one. - 0.5 Points  I am not a socialist. - 0 Points

2) I am a progressive. - - 1 Point I'm a progressive conservative. - 0.5 Points  I am a conservative/I am a reactionary. - 0 Points

3) I support LGBT+ rights, including the right to marry, right to adopt, and more. - 1 Point I support LGBT+, but I'm against gay marriage/the right to adopt. - 0.5 Points  I do not support LGBT. - 0 Points

4) I am a Marxist-Leninist. - 1 Point I am not a Marxist-Leninist, but I am a socialist. - 0.5 Points  I'm not a Marxist-Leninist, nor a socialist. - 0 Points

5) Social Democracy is a flawed system that relies on the exploitation of the third world, and doesn't contribute much to the struggle of the proletariat. - 1 Point I think social democracy isn't a good system for running an economy, but I am not a Marxist/I dislike social democracy, but I think it's a good way to transition to socialism. - 0.5 Points  I am a social democrat. - 0 Points

6) You cannot have true democracy without democracy being in the hands of the masses, and liberal democracy does not do such a thing. - 1 Point Liberal democracy is the best way to serve the masses. - 0.5 Points  I am for a totalitarian dictatorship. - 0 Points

7) Neoliberalism is an parasite that must be eradicated, even if through the means of violence. - 1 Point I think neoliberalism is mid. - 0.5 Points Neoliberalism is great! - 0 Points

8) I advocate for proletarian internationalism, and cooporation between workers of every country - 1 Point I'm mixed on proletarian internationalism, and I am a socialist. - 0.5 Points  I'm against proletarian internationalism. - 0 Points

9) Anarchism is a utopian ideal that will never work in real life. - 1 Point Anarchists are good partners for overthrowing the bourgeoise/I am not an anarchist, but I don't think it's utopian. - 0.5 Points  I am an anarchist. - 0 Points

10) Revolution is the best way for achieving socialism. - 1 Point Revolution and Reform are both viable. - 0.5 Points  Reform is the only way to realistically achieve socialism. - 0 Points

Ex: - 10/10

- 4/10 Anglo-Germanic Socialist 9.5/10 - 10/10 (holy sh*t) - 7.5/10 Nekoqing- 9/10 - 3.25/10 - 9.5/10  - 9.5/10  - 6.5/10 TheJester - 7.5 - 3.5/10 - 10/10 (holy sh*t) - 6/10

=Ideological Relationships=

Based

 * [[File:ML.png]] Marxism–Leninism - Literally me!
 * [[File:MLM-Alt.png]] Marxism-Leninism-Maoism - Also me!
 * [[File:Mlmg.png]] Gonzalo Thought - Very good theory and you had a lot of potential. Unfortunately, dogmatism and over-centralization of power ruined your movement, and we as Marxist-Leninist-Maoists must learn from the past and not do such things.
 * [[File:Natdem.png]] National Democracy - Mabuhay ang Partido Komunista!
 * [[File:PLGA.png]] Naxalism - Good luck against the fascist Modi government! Long Live the CPI-Maoist!
 * [[File:Kaypakkaya.png]] Kaypakkayaism - Your analysis of Ataturk was excellent.
 * [[File:Guevara.png]] Guevarism - A great inspiration
 * [[File:Luxem.png]] Luxemburgism - Rest in Power.
 * [[File:Stalin.png]] Stalinism - He industrialized the USSR, defeated fascism, and made the Soviet Union a superpower.
 * [[File:Progress.png]] Progressivism - If we are to develop as a planet, we must progress technologically and culturally.
 * [[File:Ultraprogressivism.png]] Revolutionary Progressivism - Based!
 * [[File:Mao.png]] Mao Zedong Thought - Chad Zedong
 * [[File:Hochi.png]] Ho Chi Minh Thought - Ho Chi Minh was one of the bravest and most successful revolutionaries of the 20th Century.
 * [[File:3princ-col.png]] Sun Yat-sen Thought - Sun Yat-sen is probably one of the best leaders of the 20th century. If only he lived longer, then we wouldn't have Chiang Kai-shek the butcherer come to power.
 * [[File:Lpop.png]] Left-Wing Populism - The masses are the most powerful in a post-revolutionary society, and shall be treated as such.
 * [[File:Leftnat.png]] Left-Wing Nationalism - Socialist Patriotism go hand and hand with proletarian internationalism.
 * [[File:Castro.png]] Castroism - I don't believe you were a Marxist, but you were still a very progressive leader and I respect you for that.

Neutral

 * [[File:Demcon.png]] Democratic Confederalism - You had so much potential but instead you became a US proxy against Assad 😭😭
 * [[File:Prachanda.png]] Prachanda Path - Why did you have to team up with liberals post-revolution?
 * [[File:Nguyễn_Phú_Trọng.png]] Nguyen Phu Trong Thought - You're like Xi Jinping but Vietnamese.
 * [[File:Tito.png]] Titoism - I would put you as cringe, but Civic Nationalism and Anti-Fascism are both cool.
 * [[File:Hoxha.png]] Hoxhaism - Gigachad anti-revisionism and was overall good for Albania, but denouncing Mao was very stupid and you're too dogmatic.
 * [[File:XiJinpingThoughtf.png]] Xi Jinping Thought - An huge improvement from the above. Good job getting rid of Jiang's cronies! But you also are helping expand China's imperialistic ambitions around the world.
 * [[File:Đổi Mới.png]] Đổi Mới - RIP, the IMF made Vietnam give concessions to the neoliberal world powers. At least more benevolent and overall better than Deng's.
 * [[File:Libmarx.png]] Libertarian Marxism - You need to accept that no limits can be put on the use of party and state.
 * [[File:Technocracy.png]] Technocracy - Technocrats are useful for central planning, but hell nah do I trust you with power.

Cringe

 * [[File:Ancom.png]] Anarcho-Communism - Anarchism will never work, as you need a state to protect from capitalist invaders.
 * [[File:Dengf.png]] Dengism - I really don't care that the reforms were necessary, since they restored capitalism in the PRC and brought China to become a social imperialist power.
 * [[File:Nazi.png]] National Socialism - Do I even have to explain why you're here?
 * [[File: Libertarian.png]] Libertarianism - Oxymoron who thinks the market will solve every issue.
 * [[File:Ancapf.png]] Anarcho-Capitalism - Same as above but worse.
 * [[File:Authcap.png]] Authoritarian Capitalism - *pukes*
 * [[File:Neoliberal-icon.png]] Neoliberalism - Literally the Status Quo!
 * [[File:Socdem.png]] Social Democracy - "muh happiest country"
 * [[File:Patcon.png]] Paternalistic Conservatism - Even worse than the last.
 * [[File:Plcn2.png]] Paleoconservatism - Far right zealot.
 * [[File:ThreeRepresents.png]] Jiang Zemin Thought - Killed the welfare state, started the privatization of many things, and was a kleptocrat. What else do I have to say?
 * [[File:NguyễnTấnDũng.png]] Nguyen Tan Dung Thought - What the hell is this? Vietnamese Jiang 🤮? Uncle Ho must be rolling in his grave seeing this shit
 * [[File:Khrusch.png]] Khrushchevism - Denounced Stalin, was a dirty bureaucrat, and was a social imperialist. I do't know what else I have to say.
 * [[File:Brezhnev.png]] Brezhnevism - Social imperialist and basically the last guy above.
 * [[File:LeftCom.png]] Left Communism - Ultraleft idiot.
 * [[File:ChiangKaiShek.png]] Chiang Kai-shek Thought - Fascist! I'm glad Mao kicked you off the mainland.
 * [[File:Kemal.png]] Kemalism - "The Kemalist “revolution” was a revolution of the top stratum of the Turkish merchant bourgeoisie, feudal landlords, usurers and a few industrialists. So, the leaders of the revolution are the Turkish comprador bourgeoisie and feudal landowners. The middle bourgeoisie of national character took part in the revolution but were auxiliaries. The leaders of the “revolution,” starting during the years of the anti-imperialist war of liberation, set out to collaborate and compromise with Allied imperialism in an underhand way. The Western imperialists took a benevolent stand towards the Kemalists and looked favourably at the possibility of a Kemalist power. The Kemalist movement developed against the peasants and workers, and against the very possibility of an agrarian revolution. As a result of the Kemalist movement, the semi-colonial and semi-feudal economic structure of Turkey remained intact." - [[File:Kaypakkaya.png]] Ibrahim Kaypakkaya

=User Relations=

(this is based upon ideology, not personality)

Based

 * [[File:LeninisBasedsmall.png]] Leninisbased556 ([[File:ML.png]]/[[File:DemML.png]]) - Incredibly based.
 * [[File:JackieReed.png]] Jackie Reed ([[File:MLM-Alt.png]]/[[File:Ultraprogressivism.png]]) - Gigachad ideology and one of my best friends.
 * [[File:GenShrekf.png]] ComradeShrek ([[File:Natcom.png]]/[[File:Hoxha.png]]) - A cool guy, and a based ideology.
 * ([[File:Technocracy.png]]/[[File:Cybercom.png]]) - Technocracy is pretty based.
 * [[File:DragonRed.png]] DragonRed ([[File:Statesoc.png]]/[[File:Cybercom.png]]) - Fellow fan of computerized planning.
 * [[File:ImmorThought.png]] Immorxy ([[File:Hoxha.png]]/[[File:Absoc.png]]) - Based comrade from Algeria.
 * [[File:RonziCom.png]] Ronzipot ([[File:Consocf.png]]/[[File:Christsoc.png]]) - Like ComradeShrek and Immorxy, but is American.
 * [[File:Verone(hat).png]] Verona ([[File:ML.png]]/[[File:Hoxha.png]]) - Pretty based.
 * [[File:SamKibGuy_icon_.png]] SamKibGuy ([[File:Republicanismpix.png]]/[[File:Trot.png]]) - Very based besides the Trotskyite sympathy.
 * [[File:Anglo-Germanic Socialist.png]] Anglo-Germanic Socialist ([[File:Ormarxf.png]]/[[File:Prog.png]]) - Based!
 * [[File:SST-icon.png]] ShadowRaiden ([[File:Consocf.png]]/[[File:Guildsoc.png]]) - Based, although could be a bit more revolutionary.
 * [[File:DN Adm.png]] DarknightYuusha ([[File:Demsocstar.png]]/[[File:Consocf.png]]) - Decent ideology and a cool guy.
 * [[File:Marsvner.png]] Marsvner ([[File:MLM.png]]/[[File:Pinksoc.png]]) - Maoist Gang!
 * [[File:Balodismconsmall.png]] IvarsBalodis ([[File:Guildsoc.png]]/[[File:SocialistCorporatism.png]]) - I can get behind Guild Socialism.
 * [[File:Silasf.png]] Sorcerersilas is here ([[File:Guildsoc.png]]/[[File:Distributist.png]]) - Same as above but more libertarian.
 * [[File:TheElectricBomb.png]] TheElectricBomb ([[File:Dsa.png]]/[[File:BlackMarxism.png]]) - Based black comrade, and fellow Ho Chi Minh, Castro, and Samora Machel enjoyer.
 * [[File:Dengf.png]] 国际联盟球 ([[File:Dengf.png]]/[[File:Mao.png]]) - Not the biggest fan of Dengism but you seem fairly based.
 * [[File:REDGREENISTICON.png]] RedGreenist ([[File:Statesoc.png]]/[[File:TechnoCom.png]]) - Based af Cybercommunism and E-Democracy.
 * [[File:Juche.png]] General Heisenburg ([[File:Juche.png]]/[[File:DemML.png]]) - RIP, Inky yeeted you and your other accounts off the face of the earth.
 * [[File:Rebel_Alliance.png]] CarbynSobek ([[File:Moderate_ML.png]]/[[File:Cybercom.png]]) - Another cybercommunist I see, and pretty based for a Dubcekite.
 * [[File:Gottwald2.png]] ComradeKretk ([[File:Stalin.png]]/[[File:Nujack.png]]) - Based ideology and based trolling of the liberals.
 * [[File:PATS.png]]Nekoqing ([[File:Malenkov.png]]/[[File:Natcom.png]]) - He's now more critical of China, so that's cool. Stil is socially conservative and a gives a bit too much PatSoc vibes though.

Neutral

 * [[File:Yoda8soup.png]] Yoda8soup ([[File:Liberalsoc.png]]/[[File:Socgeo.png]]) - Too liberal for my tastes. Geosocialism is cool, though.
 * [[File:Ashley.png]] AshleyHere ([[File:Libsoc.png]]/[[File:Anin.png]]) - Not the biggest fan of Libertarian Socialism, but could be worse. Vermin Supreme is pretty funny as well.
 * [[File:And3_.png]] And3 ([[File:Libsoc.png]]/[[File:Aneco.png]]) - Same as above.
 * [[File:Novochirotesla.png]] Chirotesla ([[File:Marketsoc.png]]/[[File:Progconf.png]]) - Mid ideology.
 * [[File:Cflski.png]] Sykar Socialist ([[File:3princ.png]]/[[File:Socdem.png]]) - Social Democracy is cringe, and some cringe liberal stances. At least we both like Sun Yat-sen and Georgism.
 * [[File:PagTheo.png]] Pantheon ([[File:Monsoc.png]]/[[File:World_Federalism2.png]]) - Weird af ideology, and a Vowshite, but you do seem to have some okay takes, and Progressive Conservatism is alright.
 * [[File:Thejestericonupdated.png]] TheJester ([[File:Marketsoc.png]]/[[File:Liberalsoc.png]]) - Reform will never get us very far, comrade. Liberal Democracy is pitted against socialism.
 * [[File:Glencoe.png]] Glencoe13 ([[File:Socdem.png]]/[[File:Liberalsoc.png]]) - Mid ideology. Liberal Socialism is shit tbh.
 * [[File:TheFed.png]] TheFedGuy101 ([[File:Cdem.png]]/[[File:ClassDistr.png]]) - Meh ideology. Not the worst though.
 * [[File:MrsVzrFlag.png]] MarsVizir ([[File:Minsocf.png]]/[[File:Ecosoc.png]]) - Not bad for a Libertarian Socialist.

Cringe

 * [[File:Ioist.png]] Io ([[File:Anqueer.png]]/[[File:Neomarx.png]]) - A state is needed to protect the gains of the people. OH NO THEY'RE A VOWSHITE OH NO
 * [[File:Councilguy2.png]] Councilguy ([[File:Egocom.png]]/[[File:Anpostleft.png]]) - Anarchism is cringe, and thinks the Bolsheviks were fascists. Seems like a cool guy though.
 * [[File:KaiserKlaus.png]] KaiserKlausMouse ([[File:PanGerman.png]]/[[File:Cfash.png]]) - Absolute LARPer, who simps for the Confederacy, and is a German nationalist despite never having set foot in Germany, and not even being fluent in German. Syndicalism is based, though.
 * [[File:Neoliberal-icon.png]] ANewDude ([[File:Neoliberal-icon.png]]) - An illiterate, unironic neoliberal 💀💀
 * [[File:YellingLiber.png]] YellingYowie ([[File:Socliber.png]]/[[File:Neobert.png]]) - Unironic neolibertarian. 💀💀💀💀
 * [[File:Ukraiana.png]] Ukraiana ([[File:Nazi.png]]/[[File:Cfash.png]]) - 💀
 * [[File:Cball-France-Beret.png]] Cheebow8 ([[File:Conservative.png]]/[[File:Cdem.png]]) - Sorry, but conservatism and theocracy is not my thing, so that's why you're here. (You seem to be a nice person though)
 * [[File:Noel21231-icon.png]] Noel21231 ([[File:Reactlib.png]]/[[File:Altl.png]]) - Literally Malaysian Trumpism, very cringe.
 * [[File:Saturnalian.png]] Melkor ([[File:Cameralism.png]]/[[File:Enlightmon.png]]) - I'm sorry, but your ideology is just cringe tbh. You seem cool though.
 * [[File:Ultro.png]] LordCompost86 ([[File:HegStirn.png]]/[[File:AnindnoI.png]]) - Mid ideology tbh. Could be worse though.
 * [[File:Arthurwp_soulism.png]] Arthurwp ([[File:Egocom.png]]/[[File:Anpostleft.png]]) - Same as above.
 * [[File:HelloThere314Icon.png]] Hellothere314 ([[File:Egocom.png]]/[[File:Postsitu.png]]) - I don't know if it's just me, but I don't at all understand the appeal of Egoism.
 * [[File:Amm1.png]] Am M ([[File:Anin.png]]/[[File:Antr.png]]) - Individualism is a bourgeois, liberal idea, and be opposed.
 * [[File:Poststruct.png]] BernieSanders07 ([[File:Postsitu.png]][[File:Anpostleft.png]])- Average anarchist tbh, nothing much to say.
 * [[File:MATTball.png]] Matteel ([[File:Socdem.png]]/[[File:3way.png]]) - Social Democracy requires the exploitation of the Global South to sustain itself. The United States is not the lesser evil compared to China and Russia, especially if you look at all three's histories. Overall, an average pro-NATO social democrat.
 * [[File:Syntridem3.png]] Applethesky2021 ([[File:3princ.png]]/[[File:Libconserv3.png]]) - We both agree Sun Yat-sen was based, but that's about it. Your foreign policy is similar to the guy above but more isolationist. But complaining about "wokeness" won't solve any actual issues our world has.
 * [[File:BeryAbLib.png]] BeryAb ([[File:Bhl2.png]]/[[File:Georgist.png]]) - Libertarianism doesn't provide any actual solutions to our problems, but at least you're way way way more rational than most other lolbertarians. Georgism is also cool, so there's that.
 * [[File:Uzarashvilism.png]] Uzarash ([[File:Christsoc.png]]/[[File:Liberalsoc.png]]) - Liberal succdem posing as a socialist.
 * [[File:Vamp.png]] DerVampir666 ([[File:Laicism.png]]/[[File:Distlib.png]]) - Individualists when I take away their family and friends (they suddenly like collectives) [[File:Troll.png]]

=Comments=

- Cleared comments since they were getting messy.

Silas: I have a question. If you hypothetically established an independent Texan socialist republic, how would you get support from the public considering how conservative Texas is?
 * [[File:NeoML2.png]] - We'd probably attempt to use religion to justify socialist principles in the short term. This will hopefully make socialism seem less bad, and attract more conservative people to the cause. Some other stuff that could be used is populism, by talking about the capitalist elite, the incompetence and corruption of the federal government, etc. It's really just adapting your beliefs to a certain region in the short term, and attracting them through this regional adaption.


 * [[File:Panth.png]] - Just gonna leave this here...
 * lmao


 * [[File:Rebel_Alliance.png]] CarbynSobek - Add me?


 * [[File:MrsVzrFlag.png]] Marsis [[File:MrsVzr2.png]] - I added you, feel free to add back (do it)


 * [[File:Nazmonf.png]] Americancatholic - UNIRONIC COMMIE ALSO CHE GEEVARA KILLED THOUSANDS STOP DEFENDING HIM
 * [[File:NeoML2.png]] - POV: You let your 7 year old kid make a polcompball account and LARP as a Neo-Nazi
 * dude lmao who are you???
 * - Says the NazCap.
 * - Noooo why did you swap the cap (idk what its called) for the ushanka? the cap looks so much better, as a latin american, i am offended /j
 * [[File:MLL.png]] - Changed it to reflect the fact I'm not a Focoist/Guevarist anymore.
 * - Damn, you sure changed a lot
 * [[File:MLL.png]] - real
 * - I'm not an anarchist 😭
 * I'm a post-anarchist 🤓🤓🤓🤓
 * - No they are a Marxist (as at right now) - they were a Post-Anarchist.


 * [[File:Scripper.png]]Scripper - Add me pls

I'm support Kemal Ataturk Mao de Zedong and Xi Jinping and Putin. Kaypakkaya write wrong things.im not agree him.
 * [[File:DragonRed.png]] DragonRed ([[File:Statesoc.png]]/[[File:Cybercom.png]]
 * [[File:MLL.png]] - I disagree. I think Kaypakkaya's analysis of Kemalism and Turkey are fairly good. Obviously, Ataturk was the best fit to lead Turkey at the time he came to power. But many of his policies were just to silence the working class, such as the secularism under his rule. His policies hurt ethnic minorities hard, such as his blatant discrimination against the Kurds. The country soon became another dictatorship of the bourgeoise which protected the interests of the ruling class and helped western imperialists in whatever they could.


 * [[File:DragonRed.png]] DragonRed

Kaypakkaya analyzed it very wrong. Kemalism does not fit with fascism. It was revolutionary democracy. It was nation-state building. Turkification was necessary. An error has occurred in the application. I'm not like Kaypakkaya. Secularism was also necessary. Religious affairs should be kept separate from state affairs. Kaypakkaya skips most things.

Founders of the Republic; During the Ottoman period; Persons who have been subjected to systematic attacks by Christian peoples against Muslim peoples.

The founders of the republic did not mistreat ethnic minorities. We can say that the distrust of the Christian peoples after the Balkan wars lies behind this. And when the bloody separation of the Arabs is added; For this reason, they aimed to make Turkey a nation state where Muslims live and everyone speaks Turkish.

Kaypakkaya portrays Turkification practices as fascism. I don't see it as fascism.

They got along well with the Soviets during the Atatürk period. Because our enemies were the same. Whether it was Atatürk's development program, the factories were built with the help of the Soviets. During the İsmet İnönü period; things went wrong. During the İsmet İnönü period, there were a few people working in favor of the Nazis. İsmet İnönü; He introduced the wealth tax. In the Second World War, the property of those who became unjustly enriched were confiscated. He expropriated the properties of Christians and Jews as well as Muslims. They show this as Turkification.
 * [[File:MLL.png]] - I disagree with your part about the founders of the Turkish Republic not discriminating against minorities. Things like the banning of letters unique to the Kurdish alphabet were quite deliberately and quite obviously targeted at the Kurds. But overall, interesting perspective coming from you as an actual Turkish citizen.

There is no concept of minority in the Ottoman Empire. The millet system in the Ottoman Empire was determined by religious affiliation. The Muslim nation is like the Greek nation, the Armenian nation. The Greek nation is called orthodox; the Armenian nation is called Apostic. When Turkey became a completely Muslim nation, the name of the nation became Turkish.
 * [[File:DragonRed.png]] DragonRed

The founders of the republic should not be accused of oppressing minorities. There are reasons behind this. The founders of the Republic generally lost their hometown; people who have been subjected to wars and genocide. People who saw that Christian nations united in the Balkan War and massacred the Muslim people. The same, when the Christian nations of Anatolia united and started to massacre the Muslims in Anatolia, the deportation was made as a precaution. When the Ottomans weakened, the French were Catholics, the Ottomans were Catholics, the English were Protestants, the Prostenians, and Russia the Orthodox because they were Orthodox; incited against Muslims. It was causing trouble. Because the founders of the republic faced such problems, they tried to send the Christian minorities.

Founders of the Republic, this is our homeland now. We will live here from now on. This is how I see Turkification. I see it as increasing the number of Turks in the country's territory. I am not hostile towards other nations. Patriotism is good. A patriotic person prioritizes love for his homeland. Nationalism is bad. Nationalist people prioritize being hostile towards other nations.

I am against nationalism; I am not against Turkification practices. At least we have removed the power of minority nationalists. that was good. Turkification practices sometimes shifted to ethnic and ultranationalism. This was bad. Turkification was good. We made Muslims whose ancestors spoke another language Turkic. We increased the Turkish population. that was good.